Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him

papz · 01-09-2014, 07:20 PM

METAIRIE, La. — For much of his time in New Orleans, Mark Ingram received more than he has given.

He earned little praise from the fan base, which booed him early in New Orleans’ game against Dallas this season.

But he never lost faith and his teammates never gave up on him.

And against Philadelphia, he finally gave more than he received. In the season’s biggest game, he ran for 97 yards and a touchdown, pacing the Saints to 185 on the ground in a two-point win.

The Saints (12-5) will need a reprise of that team rushing performance Saturday against No. 1-seed Seattle (13-3) in the NFC divisional playoffs.
It might just be what New Orleans has to do anyway, what with the weather expected to be stormy with high winds.

“I think you pay close attention to that,” coach Sean Payton said. “How long can you make the quarter last when you are with the wind. How quick can you make a quarter go by when you are against it?”

The problem is Seattle’s defense is better than Philadelphia’s. The Seahawks have held two of their past three opponents to 25 yards or less on the ground, helping them end the regular season as the league’s best total defense (273.6 ypg).

The last time the two teams played, Seattle held New Orleans to 44 yards on the ground and just 188 total on Dec. 2.

The good news for New Orleans, however, is that it’s running the ball better.

The Saints gained 126 yards in the regular season finale and 98 against the Bucs. In a win over Carolina on Dec. 8, the Saints averaged 4.1 yards per carry in a big win.

Ingram finished the season with a 4.9 yard-per-carry average while rookie Khiry Robinson was at 4.1

“I think even going into the Philly game we felt really confident that those guys are all good running backs,” right tackle Zach Strief said. “They all kind of bring something different. That’s the design of having this running back by committee.”

Read more: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him | wwltv.com New Orleans

halloween 65 · 01-09-2014, 07:25 PM

Just smash the Seahawks in the mouth!!

Danno · 01-09-2014, 07:43 PM

Too bad numerous so called fans did.

foreverfan · 01-09-2014, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Too bad numerous so called fans did.

Utah_Saint · 01-09-2014, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Too bad numerous so called fans did.

Nobody is happier that Ingram's playing great now than I am but come on man, at one point this season he was averaging around 2 yards a carry, while PT and Sporles had almost double that. And in the past two seasons he had the lowest ypc of the three of them. Maybe it's just me, but questioning Ingram's ability was perfectly understandable.

Danno · 01-10-2014, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Nobody is happier that Ingram's playing great now than I am but come on man, at one point this season he was averaging around 2 yards a carry, while PT and Sporles had almost double that. And in the past two seasons he had the lowest ypc of the three of them. Maybe it's just me, but questioning Ingram's ability was perfectly understandable.

There's a huge difference in questioning his ability and calling him a bust, worst RB in the league, Mr 1 yard carry, Horrible, trade him for a bag of chips, etc.

His 3.9 wasn't nearly as "catastrophically bad" as many made it out to be. Many reasons were stated as to why his average wasn't quite as good as PT's and Sproles. Many chose to overlook the real issues and just label him a total bust.

TheOak · 01-10-2014, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Nobody is happier that Ingram's playing great now than I am but come on man, at one point this season he was averaging around 2 yards a carry, while PT and Sporles had almost double that. And in the past two seasons he had the lowest ypc of the three of them. Maybe it's just me, but questioning Ingram's ability was perfectly understandable.

Some times we see what we want to see.

For the 2013 Regular Season
Look at PTs game logs. He hasn't AVE more than 2.9 YPC since week 13, and 8 of his 16 games were less than 2.9 YPC.
Pierre Thomas: Game Logs at NFL.com

4 of Sproles games have been less than 2.9 YPC
Darren Sproles: Game Logs at NFL.com

Ingram has had 4 less than 2.9 YPC as well.
Mark Ingram: Game Logs at NFL.com

Utah_Saint · 01-10-2014, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Some times we see what we want to see.

For the 2013 Regular Season
Look at PTs game logs. He hasn't AVE more than 2.9 YPC since week 13, and 8 of his 16 games were less than 2.9 YPC.
Pierre Thomas: Game Logs at NFL.com

4 of Sproles games have been less than 2.9 YPC
Darren Sproles: Game Logs at NFL.com

Ingram has had 4 less than 2.9 YPC as well.
Mark Ingram: Game Logs at NFL.com

Not sure what you mean by "Some times we see what we want to see."?

You didn't notice Ingram's sub par performance for 2 and a half years?

After the first quarter of this season,
Sproles was averaging 4.2 yards per carry
Thomas was averaging 3.4 yards per carry
And Ingram who had already missed two games due to injury by that point was averaging 1.8 yards per carry.

When was his first good game this season? Week 10 against the Cowboys?

In 2011 and 2012 Ingram averaged 3.9 yards per carry
Sproles and Thomas averaged 5.9 and 4.8 yards per carry respectively.

Hard to miss that kind of contrast.

Like I said, it's great that he's been playing great lately and everyone's really happy about it, and we're all hoping he's the next Adrian Peterson but anyone that questioned his ability early in the season had good reason to do so. None of us wanted to see it but it was hard not to.

TheOak · 01-11-2014, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Not sure what you mean by "Some times we see what we want to see."?

You didn't notice Ingram's sub par performance for 2 and a half years?

After the first quarter of this season,

Sproles was averaging 4.2 yards per carry

Thomas was averaging 3.4 yards per carry

And Ingram who had already missed two games due to injury by that point was averaging 1.8 yards per carry.

When was his first good game this season? Week 10 against the Cowboys?

In 2011 and 2012 Ingram averaged 3.9 yards per carry

Sproles and Thomas averaged 5.9 and 4.8 yards per carry respectively.

Hard to miss that kind of contrast.

Like I said, it's great that he's been playing great lately and everyone's really happy about it, and we're all hoping he's the next Adrian Peterson but anyone that questioned his ability early in the season had good reason to do so. None of us wanted to see it but it was hard not to.

You made my point for me brother. That which is quoted is what you see.

What I see is a player that was drafted in the first round and was locked out of any preseason training camp his rookie year. Where do you think Vaccaro would have been without a preseason to learn?

I see a second year player that had no head coach through preseason and had injuries throughout the season. Injuries have made more than one good NFL player look less than average.

I see a third year player that aggravated an injury and was fully go after the bye week. It also didn't help that the o-line made all of our great RBs look less than average so it would take one with an injury and make him look worse.

I don't make any excuses for Ingram, it is what it is. I am actually pretty damn hard on his less than average performances and if anyone on these boards is familiar with our RBs stats it is me.

Why would I ever limit myself to an Adrian Peterson? ;P some people have visions of grandeur, I don't. The leap from college ball to the NFL is huge and not everyone makes the transition well. This is one of those we have him now let's see if he even makes the cut.

halloween 65 · 01-10-2014, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Too bad numerous so called fans did.

You have to admit that he really did nothing for anyone to say he looked good with the overall body of work he did. Up until a few weeks ago he has started to show what he can do. I'm o.k with him being a late bloomer as long as he keeps bloosoming so to speak but he has to keep it up. His draft status #28 in the first round was pretty high and to give below average # , you get what I'm saying.

01-09-2014, 07:20 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him METAIRIE, La. — For much of his time in New Orleans, Mark Ingram received more than he has given. He earned little praise from the fan base, which booed him early in New Orleans’ game against Dallas this season. But he never lost faith and his teammates never gave up on him. And against Philadelphia, he finally gave more than he received. In the season’s biggest game, he ran for 97 yards and a touchdown, pacing the Saints to 185 on the ground in a two-point win. The Saints (12-5) will need a reprise of that team rushing performance Saturday against No. 1-seed Seattle (13-3) in the NFC divisional playoffs. It might just be what New Orleans has to do anyway, what with the weather expected to be stormy with high winds. “I think you pay close attention to that,” coach Sean Payton said. “How long can you make the quarter last when you are with the wind. How quick can you make a quarter go by when you are against it?” The problem is Seattle’s defense is better than Philadelphia’s. The Seahawks have held two of their past three opponents to 25 yards or less on the ground, helping them end the regular season as the league’s best total defense (273.6 ypg). The last time the two teams played, Seattle held New Orleans to 44 yards on the ground and just 188 total on Dec. 2. The good news for New Orleans, however, is that it’s running the ball better. The Saints gained 126 yards in the regular season finale and 98 against the Bucs. In a win over Carolina on Dec. 8, the Saints averaged 4.1 yards per carry in a big win. Ingram finished the season with a 4.9 yard-per-carry average while rookie Khiry Robinson was at 4.1 “I think even going into the Philly game we felt really confident that those guys are all good running backs,” right tackle Zach Strief said. “They all kind of bring something different. That’s the design of having this running back by committee.” Read more: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him \| wwltv.com New Orleans Attached Thumbnails
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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him Originally Posted by Danno Too bad numerous so called fans did. Nobody is happier that Ingram's playing great now than I am but come on man, at one point this season he was averaging around 2 yards a carry, while PT and Sporles had almost double that. And in the past two seasons he had the lowest ypc of the three of them. Maybe it's just me, but questioning Ingram's ability was perfectly understandable. halloween 65 likes this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Nobody is happier that Ingram's playing great now than I am but come on man, at one point this season he was averaging around 2 yards a carry, while PT and Sporles had almost double that. And in the past two seasons he had the lowest ypc of the three of them. Maybe it's just me, but questioning Ingram's ability was perfectly understandable. There's a huge difference in questioning his ability and calling him a bust, worst RB in the league, Mr 1 yard carry, Horrible, trade him for a bag of chips, etc. His 3.9 wasn't nearly as "catastrophically bad" as many made it out to be. Many reasons were stated as to why his average wasn't quite as good as PT's and Sproles. Many chose to overlook the real issues and just label him a total bust.

01-09-2014, 07:25 PM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him Just smash the Seahawks in the mouth!!

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Nobody is happier that Ingram's playing great now than I am but come on man, at one point this season he was averaging around 2 yards a carry, while PT and Sporles had almost double that. And in the past two seasons he had the lowest ypc of the three of them. Maybe it's just me, but questioning Ingram's ability was perfectly understandable. Some times we see what we want to see. For the 2013 Regular Season Look at PTs game logs. He hasn't AVE more than 2.9 YPC since week 13, and 8 of his 16 games were less than 2.9 YPC. Pierre Thomas: Game Logs at NFL.com 4 of Sproles games have been less than 2.9 YPC Darren Sproles: Game Logs at NFL.com Ingram has had 4 less than 2.9 YPC as well. Mark Ingram: Game Logs at NFL.com Danno likes this.

01-10-2014, 07:48 PM	#8
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him Originally Posted by TheOak Some times we see what we want to see. For the 2013 Regular Season Look at PTs game logs. He hasn't AVE more than 2.9 YPC since week 13, and 8 of his 16 games were less than 2.9 YPC. Pierre Thomas: Game Logs at NFL.com 4 of Sproles games have been less than 2.9 YPC Darren Sproles: Game Logs at NFL.com Ingram has had 4 less than 2.9 YPC as well. Mark Ingram: Game Logs at NFL.com Not sure what you mean by "Some times we see what we want to see."? You didn't notice Ingram's sub par performance for 2 and a half years? After the first quarter of this season, Sproles was averaging 4.2 yards per carry Thomas was averaging 3.4 yards per carry And Ingram who had already missed two games due to injury by that point was averaging 1.8 yards per carry. When was his first good game this season? Week 10 against the Cowboys? In 2011 and 2012 Ingram averaged 3.9 yards per carry Sproles and Thomas averaged 5.9 and 4.8 yards per carry respectively. Hard to miss that kind of contrast. Like I said, it's great that he's been playing great lately and everyone's really happy about it, and we're all hoping he's the next Adrian Peterson but anyone that questioned his ability early in the season had good reason to do so. None of us wanted to see it but it was hard not to.

01-11-2014, 05:09 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Not sure what you mean by "Some times we see what we want to see."? You didn't notice Ingram's sub par performance for 2 and a half years? After the first quarter of this season, Sproles was averaging 4.2 yards per carry Thomas was averaging 3.4 yards per carry And Ingram who had already missed two games due to injury by that point was averaging 1.8 yards per carry. When was his first good game this season? Week 10 against the Cowboys? In 2011 and 2012 Ingram averaged 3.9 yards per carry Sproles and Thomas averaged 5.9 and 4.8 yards per carry respectively. Hard to miss that kind of contrast. Like I said, it's great that he's been playing great lately and everyone's really happy about it, and we're all hoping he's the next Adrian Peterson but anyone that questioned his ability early in the season had good reason to do so. None of us wanted to see it but it was hard not to. You made my point for me brother. That which is quoted is what you see. What I see is a player that was drafted in the first round and was locked out of any preseason training camp his rookie year. Where do you think Vaccaro would have been without a preseason to learn? I see a second year player that had no head coach through preseason and had injuries throughout the season. Injuries have made more than one good NFL player look less than average. I see a third year player that aggravated an injury and was fully go after the bye week. It also didn't help that the o-line made all of our great RBs look less than average so it would take one with an injury and make him look worse. I don't make any excuses for Ingram, it is what it is. I am actually pretty damn hard on his less than average performances and if anyone on these boards is familiar with our RBs stats it is me. Why would I ever limit myself to an Adrian Peterson? ;P some people have visions of grandeur, I don't. The leap from college ball to the NFL is huge and not everyone makes the transition well. This is one of those we have him now let's see if he even makes the cut.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

01-10-2014, 08:26 PM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him Originally Posted by Danno Too bad numerous so called fans did. You have to admit that he really did nothing for anyone to say he looked good with the overall body of work he did. Up until a few weeks ago he has started to show what he can do. I'm o.k with him being a late bloomer as long as he keeps bloosoming so to speak but he has to keep it up. His draft status #28 in the first round was pretty high and to give below average # , you get what I'm saying.

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