Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him

01-11-2014, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Not sure what you mean by "Some times we see what we want to see."?

You didn't notice Ingram's sub par performance for 2 and a half years?

After the first quarter of this season,

Sproles was averaging 4.2 yards per carry

Thomas was averaging 3.4 yards per carry

And Ingram who had already missed two games due to injury by that point was averaging 1.8 yards per carry.

When was his first good game this season? Week 10 against the Cowboys?

In 2011 and 2012 Ingram averaged 3.9 yards per carry

Sproles and Thomas averaged 5.9 and 4.8 yards per carry respectively.

Hard to miss that kind of contrast.

Like I said, it's great that he's been playing great lately and everyone's really happy about it, and we're all hoping he's the next Adrian Peterson but anyone that questioned his ability early in the season had good reason to do so. None of us wanted to see it but it was hard not to.

You made my point for me brother. That which is quoted is what you see.

What I see is a player that was drafted in the first round and was locked out of any preseason training camp his rookie year. Where do you think Vaccaro would have been without a preseason to learn?

I see a second year player that had no head coach through preseason and had injuries throughout the season. Injuries have made more than one good NFL player look less than average.

I see a third year player that aggravated an injury and was fully go after the bye week. It also didn't help that the o-line made all of our great RBs look less than average so it would take one with an injury and make him look worse.

I don't make any excuses for Ingram, it is what it is. I am actually pretty damn hard on his less than average performances and if anyone on these boards is familiar with our RBs stats it is me.

Why would I ever limit myself to an Adrian Peterson? ;P some people have visions of grandeur, I don't. The leap from college ball to the NFL is huge and not everyone makes the transition well. This is one of those we have him now let's see if he even makes the cut.

saintsfan1976 · 01-11-2014, 06:53 AM

Well summed Oak

MI may have found his niche in this offense. To me it's now less about gaudy stats and more about doing your job when your number is called.

Speaking of, I think "Dance" Lance Moore is a matchup problem for Seattle today.

Utah_Saint · 01-11-2014, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You made my point for me brother. That which is quoted is what you see.

What I see is a player that was drafted in the first round and was locked out of any preseason training camp his rookie year. Where do you think Vaccaro would have been without a preseason to learn?

I see a second year player that had no head coach through preseason and had injuries throughout the season. Injuries have made more than one good NFL player look less than average.

I see a third year player that aggravated an injury and was fully go after the bye week. It also didn't help that the o-line made all of our great RBs look less than average so it would take one with an injury and make him look worse.

I don't make any excuses for Ingram, it is what it is. I am actually pretty damn hard on his less than average performances and if anyone on these boards is familiar with our RBs stats it is me.

Why would I ever limit myself to an Adrian Peterson? ;P some people have visions of grandeur, I don't. The leap from college ball to the NFL is huge and not everyone makes the transition well. This is one of those we have him now let's see if he even makes the cut.

Umm... OK

You were one of the most vocal questioning his performance.

http://blackandgold.com/saints/60333...we-do-him.html

TheOak 9-16-13 06:34am
"Look brother, is he horrible? No

Here are my issues with ingram:

1. We is a 1st round draft pick getting out run by Undrafted Free Agents.
2. He is "supposed" to be our punch it through short down, goal line back.. He is not getting 1st downs and he is not getting TDs.

Here is a question for you, Its the NFC Championship game, Saints 9 Falcons 14 we have ball on the 3 yard line with 5 seconds left on the clock.

Is Ingram your guy?"

That's just one quote, there are many more.

Looks like you made my point for me back in September brother.

Guess some of us just remember what we want to remember.

01-11-2014, 05:09 AM	#21
Threaded by TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Not sure what you mean by "Some times we see what we want to see."? You didn't notice Ingram's sub par performance for 2 and a half years? After the first quarter of this season, Sproles was averaging 4.2 yards per carry Thomas was averaging 3.4 yards per carry And Ingram who had already missed two games due to injury by that point was averaging 1.8 yards per carry. When was his first good game this season? Week 10 against the Cowboys? In 2011 and 2012 Ingram averaged 3.9 yards per carry Sproles and Thomas averaged 5.9 and 4.8 yards per carry respectively. Hard to miss that kind of contrast. Like I said, it's great that he's been playing great lately and everyone's really happy about it, and we're all hoping he's the next Adrian Peterson but anyone that questioned his ability early in the season had good reason to do so. None of us wanted to see it but it was hard not to. You made my point for me brother. That which is quoted is what you see. What I see is a player that was drafted in the first round and was locked out of any preseason training camp his rookie year. Where do you think Vaccaro would have been without a preseason to learn? I see a second year player that had no head coach through preseason and had injuries throughout the season. Injuries have made more than one good NFL player look less than average. I see a third year player that aggravated an injury and was fully go after the bye week. It also didn't help that the o-line made all of our great RBs look less than average so it would take one with an injury and make him look worse. I don't make any excuses for Ingram, it is what it is. I am actually pretty damn hard on his less than average performances and if anyone on these boards is familiar with our RBs stats it is me. Why would I ever limit myself to an Adrian Peterson? ;P some people have visions of grandeur, I don't. The leap from college ball to the NFL is huge and not everyone makes the transition well. This is one of those we have him now let's see if he even makes the cut.
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01-11-2014, 06:53 AM	#22
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,036 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him Well summed Oak MI may have found his niche in this offense. To me it's now less about gaudy stats and more about doing your job when your number is called. Speaking of, I think "Dance" Lance Moore is a matchup problem for Seattle today.

01-11-2014, 10:59 AM	#23
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Mark Ingram never lost faith and teammates never gave up on him Originally Posted by TheOak You made my point for me brother. That which is quoted is what you see. What I see is a player that was drafted in the first round and was locked out of any preseason training camp his rookie year. Where do you think Vaccaro would have been without a preseason to learn? I see a second year player that had no head coach through preseason and had injuries throughout the season. Injuries have made more than one good NFL player look less than average. I see a third year player that aggravated an injury and was fully go after the bye week. It also didn't help that the o-line made all of our great RBs look less than average so it would take one with an injury and make him look worse. I don't make any excuses for Ingram, it is what it is. I am actually pretty damn hard on his less than average performances and if anyone on these boards is familiar with our RBs stats it is me. Why would I ever limit myself to an Adrian Peterson? ;P some people have visions of grandeur, I don't. The leap from college ball to the NFL is huge and not everyone makes the transition well. This is one of those we have him now let's see if he even makes the cut. Umm... OK You were one of the most vocal questioning his performance. http://blackandgold.com/saints/60333...we-do-him.html TheOak 9-16-13 06:34am "Look brother, is he horrible? No Here are my issues with ingram: 1. We is a 1st round draft pick getting out run by Undrafted Free Agents. 2. He is "supposed" to be our punch it through short down, goal line back.. He is not getting 1st downs and he is not getting TDs. Here is a question for you, Its the NFC Championship game, Saints 9 Falcons 14 we have ball on the 3 yard line with 5 seconds left on the clock. Is Ingram your guy?" That's just one quote, there are many more. Looks like you made my point for me back in September brother. Guess some of us just remember what we want to remember.

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