The official ***** and moan thread

[bobdog86]

Brees did not lose this game…period. It was a culmination of things. We fumbled, they did not. We dropped several passes, they dropped very few. Please do not pin the loss on any one person. Yes, Drew was not crisp, but he also did not fumble or drop the easy passes. You win as a team, you lose a team. Better team won, sorry. They took advantage of opportunities, we did not...Off season is upon us, we have a bright future, now let's go get a snack!

[lsusaint912]

Originally Posted by AllSaints

Drew and Sean up tempo Offense sucks !..... Brees burns 2 timeouts a game cuz Delay of Game ! ! ! !

All year brees has not been looking at the play clock it kills us on the road every time

[AlaskaSaints]

Our offense spending too much time looking CUTE.

Alaska

[limitless]

Originally Posted by W. Kovacs

Don't forget that our Receivers seem completely unwilling (unable?) to fight to get open. I love Coulston but is he a #1 on any other playoff team?

That said, I don't think Drew is the QB he was, even 2 years ago. He's still my favorite player of all time but I think it's time for his role to change a little bit. We need to emphasize the run, then have Drew devastate teams with his accuracy after we've worn them down a bit.

Think of any MLB Pitcher: after a season of hurling pitches their arms aren't quite the same, and later in their careers the effect is even more pronounced. I think the same is happening to Drew. Some of the pressure needs to be taken off of him because by week 14 or so, he's just not the same...

I can accept this more than I can accept simply "It's Drew's fault why we lost the game" or "I'm ready for a new QB." Just want to remind everyone that without Drew we are a 5 or 6 win team at best. Drew is 34 years old and some of you on here make him out to be 40. I'm watching Brady who is 36 going on 37 and he's doing pretty good. He make questionable decisions and throws INT's too, but without Brady, NE is a 7 win team.

Also, I get ticked off reading this about Drew because people don't remember how bad our QB's were before he got here. I'd much rather he finish his career a Saint. He11, I'd put a 41 year old Drew in there over the other 90% of the average or BAD QB's in the NFL.

[brees84]

Too many personnel changes

[pherein]

Originally Posted by saintfan

On don't think Drew lost the game.

I really think he did

[WHODATINCA]

Originally Posted by limitless

How can you place this loss on Brees? Ok it wasn't his best game, but seriously brees? I haven't seen a single QB have a stellar game against the Seahawk defense all year long. If anything Brees kept us in the game.

What about Hill dropping the ball or Colston, Sproles, Ingram, or anyone else who dropped balls early on? Mark Ingram dropeed a wide open screen and later he fumbled which cost use a clean 7 points. I don't see how you can put this one square on Brees.

LL, this is the official moan and groan thread, but you can't really listen to what pherein and bandg say right now -- they are drowning their sorrows -- or have completely lost their minds if they are serious. If they are serious then -- ask them which available QB replacement they would bring in -- and on which planet Sean Payton would ever consider that move? His play-calling may be suspect this year but I can assure you SP has not lost his mind.

[Mr.Riaton]

Drew isnt what he was two years ago because he wasnt protected this year like he was two years ago. I guess that goes to show that Drew does not make his linemen better like some people actually believe. Dumbest thing I've ever heard!

[WHODATINCA]

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Drew isnt what he was two years ago because he wasnt protected this year like he was two years ago.

Thank you.

[W. Kovacs]

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Drew isnt what he was two years ago because he wasnt protected this year like he was two years ago.

I would argue that he's lost a little bit on the deep ball and his accuracy is not quite what it was.

I really hope that you are right and getting him some protection will see a reverse in this trend. Perhaps the reason he loses a bit toward the end of the year is because of the beating he takes throughout the year.

I still think that he's a top 3-5 QB in the league, I just don't think he's #1 like I did a couple of years ago...