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Who should be the lead back next year?I like Khiry and would like to see the Saints commit to this Kid.

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Khiry.. Mixture of PT and Ingram. I love how he always puts his hand down to continue the run. All he needs is screen skills and pass blocking.

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How do feel about Toby Gerhart?
If we let Pierre go?

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Dunno. I used to watch a lot of the Viks and he was pretty disappointing. Not a huge fan, tbh. He seems to run straight and thats about it.

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Is this for cap space?
Otherwise, I think that's a pretty serious down grade.

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Khiry. love the comparison to Curtis Martin.

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Khiry nodoubt. Ingram has finally done enough to where I think we should keep him another year.

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It's just me but we have to commit to somebody.... You can have 10,000 different backs @ the dome and during the season but in the playoffs you gotta pair down...

I love pierre... and it would be a tough call... but right now it's robinson... backed up by sproles to me. Pierre will be asked to take a discount on the deal he signed.

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I think Ingrams trade value has risen a bit.

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The one and only Khiry Robinson. Great presence, decent speed, super balance.

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Khiry deserves a hell of a lot more carries next season

Despite the fumble, ingram has been running well and making quick decisions at the line, he is staying another year

Sproles might be the odd man out, he doesnt make people miss anymore and doesnt look elusive as he used to be

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Definitely need to increase khiry use, glad those decisions aren't mine. That's a tough one.

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Robinson and Ingram both deserve to tote the rock next year, I'm higher on Robinson but Ingram has come on and wouldn't mind seeing more of him as long as he keeps running with authority, both are young and less mileage than PT or Sproles. PT still has a good bit left in the tank, Sproles started the season on fire but lost a lot as the season went on. I'd keep the young mules and PT and trade Sproles because if he wore down this season it's only going to get worse the next and use PT to spell out Robinson and Ingram.

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There is no "lead back" in Payton's offense.

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Make sure Ingram and Robinson each get to touch the ball 15+ times a game. I love what Thomas and Sproles has done for the Saints. But, good organizations dump players before they hit the wall, not after. Their salaries can be used elsewhere. Plus, Loomis has proven he can find starter quality RB's without drafting them.

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I agree, may be time to part ways with both Thomas and Sproles... Both seem to be losing a step. I think we are set with Ingram and Robinson for a few years...

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Just remember that Sproles is a rare type of player, and not easily replaced. However, I am the first to admit he appears to have lost something, especially as the season progressed.

I would really love to see what Ingram and Robinson can do with a lead fullback. I remember a great running back from the past who was not that great in a one back set, but was lights out with a fullback leading the way. Too bad those knees didn't hold up for that young man... (Deuce)

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I wouldn't mind keeping Sproles and PT for another season, but their cap hits are quite large.

I think we can do better with that type of money.
PT is 3 million, no dead money
Sproles is 4.25 million with only 750K in dead money (we'd save 3.5 million)

So if we release both we'd save 6.5 million.

Is it worth the savings to release them?

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I brought that up a couple of weeks back and was laughed at by some.
Its not a case of them not being good but are they worth the cap space taken up.I think the play calling needs to move away fromthe screen game so when its used it works rather than be forced.The offense has become predictable and though its still too good for most teams to stop when you play teams that have size and speed in the backfield and LB they are happy to rush the lineman and not over comit and are ready for the screen.Get Robinson and Ingram hitting the line hard and set up the screen/play action passes.
Maybe keep one or draft a new RB

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If you want my opinion, PT is the reason the rushing game has lacked, hes not explosive and looks to have regressed from previous years.

Hand it off to Robinson or Ingram and they hit the hole for 5 yards, basically their 5 yards is quicker and better visioned than PTs 5 yards which is slow.

Is it any coincidence when PT is out that the Run game improved so much?

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Ditch Ingram…
Keep Khiry and PT, sign MJD as a role player.

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Unfortunately, I think PT and Sproles are the odd guys out. but who knows. All i know, is it seems we have too many cooks in the kitchen.

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With what cap space

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We just played more balanced football. 2 players in rotation, more carries. Healthy PT would have same numbers with those carries. (if ingram/khiry was out) He is the most versatile back we have. You can always find cheap north and south RB with less skills. Finding PT replacement is not an easy task. If we can get a good pick (3rd, 4th round) then I would trade Ingram. Khiry is way more talented and I see greatness in this guy.

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Agreed, but #9 needs to take the FIRST haircut if he wants a quality team around him.

Wouldn't it be great if, to go with this defense, we had a punt return threat?

Alaska

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I think that has a lot to do with the lack of punt return blocking... Cadet had a couple good returns this year(kick, not punt). With some decent blocking he could do both rather well I think

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One will be traded. Which one who knows. PT is the oldest but Mark will be in his last year of his contract. If I were to guess it would be PT. Should get a 3rd for either one. Depending one what Cadet does in the off season Sproles may be gone as well. I could see a 3/4 rd for him also.

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I think we keep Thomas as a primary mixed with Khiry and Sproles doing what he does. Ingram showed up but i like to use him for a decent draft pick.

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We keep Pt ,Robinson and Cadet and while looking at more FA's. Sproles still has good trade value.

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Khiry isn't going anywhere. PT isn't going anywhere. Mark is a FA isn't he?

Tell you what - Mark Ingram is a dang good running back when the o-line gives him enough time to get the ball in his hands. Time and time again, while everyone was railing on the guy, he was trying to dodge people in the back field.

I would love to see those 3 guys on the team next year, with a better center and a renewed commitment to the running game.

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This is why we won't run the ball effectively. We need a lead back to get at least 15 carries a game. Robinson should be the guy IMO. Sproles should go though, he no longer brings that burst to the table and his return ability is non-existent. I like Thomas but he was ineffective all year and our running game looked better when he wasn't in the game. Ingram and Robinson should be the future.

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Each of our "starters" were sidelined at various times this season and you guys feel it's wise to cut two of them??

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I would like to see a Robinson/Ingram tandem(Robinson as primary back). Keep Thomas as rotation with Ingram and as depth. Thomas is getting older but no way do we get rid of him. He is still valuable to this team.

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We do not run a LEAD BACK or FEATURE BACK. Anyone actually watch the games. The carried needed is BS.

You know what happens when you make 1 person a feature or lead? When he goes down the game plan has to change... No thank you.

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Forsure need to take sproles out the return game, his jukes are bad, thats one area we need to invest in

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PT can still be effective in the screen game and maybe 3-5 carries a game, and sorry Sproles, you had one good return this year.

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With our cap issues (not problems), we'll probably continue to purge high priced players and replace with younger talent. I look for more Fosters, Robinsons, Galettes, Lelitos, Sweetings, Butlers, Reddicks, etc to make this team.

We may invest some more big money in the O-line to protect our franncchise, but I can see us pretty much ignoring all the high priced free-agents and concentrating on restructures and out out-right releases of som popular players.

Its all gonna depend on how difficult they will be to replace without much of a drop-off.

PT/Sproles (pre-2013) would be extremely difficult to replace without a huge drop-off.

The PT/Sproles we saw this year wouldn't be that difficult to replace with youger cheaper versions.

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Khirys emergence has made one of those players a little more replaceable, i think sproles will be traded to be honest

Khiry and ingram for 2 straight weeks against phillys D and then seattles D (arguably the best in football) have worked together and moved the ball extremely well

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We need a youth movement soon on offense, it worked out very well for our Defense.

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Agree with that.
Alot of the high priced vets contract are at that stage when the pay is too high for performance and the dead money is or is close to woelrth making the cut.