Free agents 2014

jeanpierre · 03-25-2014, 05:22 AM

Per OverTheCap.com we have $2,138,782 available in cap space...

» Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts

And Sportrac.com says we have 3,618,782 available in cap space with no reference to the Strief contract nor the Keenan Lewis new cap number...

New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - 2014 Breakdown

TheOak · 03-25-2014, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Per OverTheCap.com we have $2,138,782 available in cap space...

» Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts

And Sportrac.com says we have 3,618,782 available in cap space with no reference to the Strief contract nor the Keenan Lewis new cap number...

New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - 2014 Breakdown

Since the Keenan Lewis difference between the two sites is 100k/ Cap Hit in 2014 they are either both correct or both wrong... Unless Loomis restructured a deal for 100k in cap space, which he didn't. Also since the Strief deal is 2m in cap hit for 2014 which is reflected on overthecap but not spotrac, I suspect they are both wrong as there is only a 1m delta between the two sites.

If you notice overthecap shows that Cap Space number is "Est."

All in all.... overthecap shows less money to work with so no, it isnt a prelude to a graham contract. That will come with the restructure of Grubs and Evans. 7m + 2.1m to Jimmy Graham is 9.1m. Leaving you with $0.00 to sign draft picks, practice squad, take the team to Sonic...

jeanpierre · 03-26-2014, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Since the Keenan Lewis difference between the two sites is 100k/ Cap Hit in 2014 they are either both correct or both wrong... Unless Loomis restructured a deal for 100k in cap space, which he didn't. Also since the Strief deal is 2m in cap hit for 2014 which is reflected on overthecap but not spotrac, I suspect they are both wrong as there is only a 1m delta between the two sites.

If you notice overthecap shows that Cap Space number is "Est."

All in all.... overthecap shows less money to work with so no, it isnt a prelude to a graham contract. That will come with the restructure of Grubs and Evans. 7m + 2.1m to Jimmy Graham is 9.1m. Leaving you with $0.00 to sign draft picks, practice squad, take the team to Sonic...

Understand the money has to come from somewhere, but I don't see BOTH Grubbs and Evans get their deals reworked...

And their currently showing the Non-Exclusive Tag money against Graham, so if Loomis has that much too work with this season, he may guarantee more money down the road to keep Graham at that cap number this season...

TheOak · 03-26-2014, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Understand the money has to come from somewhere, but I don't see BOTH Grubbs and Evans get their deals reworked...

And their currently showing the Non-Exclusive Tag money against Graham, so if Loomis has that much too work with this season, he may guarantee more money down the road to keep Graham at that cap number this season...

It's a case of take only when you need and not before.

With 2.6m in cap space going to a long term deal for Graham will consume that. Draft picks will require 4m and the restructure of one of them. The second will be a restructure to have some space available to start the season.

Now, if Jimmy signs the tag, one gets reworked and Loomis saves the other for a rainy day next year.

brees84 · 03-26-2014, 12:18 PM

McCown will be our backup QB for another year.

hagan714 · 03-26-2014, 03:47 PM

ok Mickey was my favorite punching bag in the front office for years but the guy has done a heck of a job in the past few years i have to believe he has this all mapped out to work.

from what i understand jimmy's tag figures are already included in our cap figures.

plus keep in mind Grubbs and Evens already restructured their contracts in 2013. increasing their signing bonuses again? that would be wild. pro-rate yet again over the remaining contract? trying see the business sense in that move. Right now i really can not even grasp the logic

i would start exploring other options

lee909 · 03-26-2014, 03:49 PM

Talking of Mickey

Check out GrinofLoomis on twitter

TheOak · 03-27-2014, 12:33 PM

JP ~
Its about time for you to start your annual Saints Depth Chart thread isn't it?

Would hate to see all your work slide down the page after FA is over with.,

jeanpierre · 03-27-2014, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

JP ~
Its about time for you to start your annual Saints Depth Chart thread isn't it?

Would hate to see all your work slide down the page after FA is over with.,

You know, what I really like Oak, is that the threads, whomever starts them, knows it's all Saints Fans thread...

Sometimes, with so many threads, some really great posts get missed when many of the same issues are related...

But most important, that Saints fans can commune and post their thoughts however unpolished or refined they are...

And that we can debate and discuss with enthusiasm and encouragement...

And when the Sun sets in the West for the day, fans leaves the forum informed, with their enthusiasm and self-esteem unabashed and intact...

hagan714 · 03-28-2014, 06:55 AM

LT (2) Terron Armstead, Marcel Jones (FC)

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, Senio Kelemete (FC)

C (2) Tim Lelito

RG (2) Jahri Evans

RT (2) Zach Strief, Bryce Harris, Ty Nsekhe (FC)

man that hole jumps out at ya

03-25-2014, 05:22 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Free agents 2014 Per OverTheCap.com we have $2,138,782 available in cap space... » Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts And Sportrac.com says we have 3,618,782 available in cap space with no reference to the Strief contract nor the Keenan Lewis new cap number... New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - 2014 Breakdown

03-25-2014, 08:20 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,041	Re: Free agents 2014 Originally Posted by jeanpierre Per OverTheCap.com we have $2,138,782 available in cap space... » Over the Cap- New Orleans Saints 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts And Sportrac.com says we have 3,618,782 available in cap space with no reference to the Strief contract nor the Keenan Lewis new cap number... New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - 2014 Breakdown Since the Keenan Lewis difference between the two sites is 100k/ Cap Hit in 2014 they are either both correct or both wrong... Unless Loomis restructured a deal for 100k in cap space, which he didn't. Also since the Strief deal is 2m in cap hit for 2014 which is reflected on overthecap but not spotrac, I suspect they are both wrong as there is only a 1m delta between the two sites. If you notice overthecap shows that Cap Space number is "Est." All in all.... overthecap shows less money to work with so no, it isnt a prelude to a graham contract. That will come with the restructure of Grubs and Evans. 7m + 2.1m to Jimmy Graham is 9.1m. Leaving you with $0.00 to sign draft picks, practice squad, take the team to Sonic...
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03-26-2014, 09:38 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Free agents 2014 Originally Posted by TheOak Since the Keenan Lewis difference between the two sites is 100k/ Cap Hit in 2014 they are either both correct or both wrong... Unless Loomis restructured a deal for 100k in cap space, which he didn't. Also since the Strief deal is 2m in cap hit for 2014 which is reflected on overthecap but not spotrac, I suspect they are both wrong as there is only a 1m delta between the two sites. If you notice overthecap shows that Cap Space number is "Est." All in all.... overthecap shows less money to work with so no, it isnt a prelude to a graham contract. That will come with the restructure of Grubs and Evans. 7m + 2.1m to Jimmy Graham is 9.1m. Leaving you with $0.00 to sign draft picks, practice squad, take the team to Sonic... Understand the money has to come from somewhere, but I don't see BOTH Grubbs and Evans get their deals reworked... And their currently showing the Non-Exclusive Tag money against Graham, so if Loomis has that much too work with this season, he may guarantee more money down the road to keep Graham at that cap number this season...

03-26-2014, 09:48 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,041	Re: Free agents 2014 Originally Posted by jeanpierre Understand the money has to come from somewhere, but I don't see BOTH Grubbs and Evans get their deals reworked... And their currently showing the Non-Exclusive Tag money against Graham, so if Loomis has that much too work with this season, he may guarantee more money down the road to keep Graham at that cap number this season... It's a case of take only when you need and not before. With 2.6m in cap space going to a long term deal for Graham will consume that. Draft picks will require 4m and the restructure of one of them. The second will be a restructure to have some space available to start the season. Now, if Jimmy signs the tag, one gets reworked and Loomis saves the other for a rainy day next year.

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03-26-2014, 03:47 PM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Free agents 2014 ok Mickey was my favorite punching bag in the front office for years but the guy has done a heck of a job in the past few years i have to believe he has this all mapped out to work. from what i understand jimmy's tag figures are already included in our cap figures. plus keep in mind Grubbs and Evens already restructured their contracts in 2013. increasing their signing bonuses again? that would be wild. pro-rate yet again over the remaining contract? trying see the business sense in that move. Right now i really can not even grasp the logic i would start exploring other options ChrisXVI likes this.
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03-27-2014, 12:33 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,041	Re: Free agents 2014 JP ~ Its about time for you to start your annual Saints Depth Chart thread isn't it? Would hate to see all your work slide down the page after FA is over with.,

03-27-2014, 09:12 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Free agents 2014 Originally Posted by TheOak JP ~ Its about time for you to start your annual Saints Depth Chart thread isn't it? Would hate to see all your work slide down the page after FA is over with., You know, what I really like Oak, is that the threads, whomever starts them, knows it's all Saints Fans thread... Sometimes, with so many threads, some really great posts get missed when many of the same issues are related... But most important, that Saints fans can commune and post their thoughts however unpolished or refined they are... And that we can debate and discuss with enthusiasm and encouragement... And when the Sun sets in the West for the day, fans leaves the forum informed, with their enthusiasm and self-esteem unabashed and intact... Rugby Saint II likes this.
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03-28-2014, 06:55 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Free agents 2014 LT (2) Terron Armstead, *Marcel Jones (FC)* LG (2) Ben Grubbs, *Senio Kelemete (FC)* C (2) Tim Lelito RG (2) Jahri Evans RT (2) *Zach Strief, Bryce Harris, Ty Nsekhe (FC)* man that hole jumps out at ya

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