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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Believe it or not, I am not a total idiot. I know how to read the salary cap chart. If the Saints want Grubbs to restructure they have all the leverage in the world. He ...

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Old 01-18-2014, 02:02 PM   #1
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Re: Free agents 2014

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas View Post
Believe it or not, I am not a total idiot. I know how to read the salary cap chart.

If the Saints want Grubbs to restructure they have all the leverage in the world. He can do it this offseason, or get cut next offseason; we gain $4m on the 2015 cap and he loses the $22m remaining on his sweetheart contract.

And I think we all know that based on his performance he wouldn't make a third of what he's getting now looking for a new deal with some other team in 2015. We've seen each of the last two offseasons, big name vets with declining performance don't get cut any slack in the free agent market.

If Grubbs likes playing for the Saints and he likes $20 million dollars, he will restructure his deal, plain and simple. To be clear, I like Grubbs alright. Pretty good dude, pretty good player. But he's making elite guard money and he is nowhere near being an elite guard anymore. He's just not worth that contract, especially on a team that routinely plucks o-line starters in the 4th and 5th rounds of the draft.
Disagree. A pro-bowl guard that had a decent season in a new system with a weak LT and OC next to him could command a pretty big contract, and the signing bonus alone would probably be half that 22 million.

He could easily get another 4 year deal with a 10 million signing bonus and a yearly average of 6 to 7 million.

I don't think we have that much leverage at all, since he has 9 million in dead money. We'd save 100,000 by releasing him and then we'd have to spend 7 million per season to replace him.
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2014

OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Ryan Griffin

FB (1) Jed Collins

RB (4) Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Khiry Robinson

WR (3) Marques Colston, Robert Meachem, Nick Toon

LT (2) Terron Armstead, Marcel Jones

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, ???

OC (1) ???

RG (2) Jahri Evans, Tim Lelito

RT (2) ???, Bryce Harris

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson, Josh Hill

WR (2) Kenny Stills, Lance Moore


DEFENSE

LDE (2) Akiem Hicks, Glenn Foster

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tyrunn Walker

SAM (2) Victor Butler, Kyle Knox

MIKE (3) Curtis Lofton, Ramon Humber

WILL (2) David Hawthorne, Kevin Reddick

JACK (2) Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson

CB (3) Keenan Lewis, Corey White, Rod Sweeting

FS (2) Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson

SS (3) Kenny Vaccaro, ???, ???

CB (2) Jabari Greer, Patrick Robinson

KICKING

PK (1) Shayne Graham

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Darren Sproles

Key:

POS (#) Likely Slots

Incumbent Starter

Restricted Free Agent

Additions (Acquired Via)

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Old 01-20-2014, 08:06 AM   #3
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The "must" re-signs on this team are Graham, Bush...

Bring back in role at current pay rate guys are Collins, Meachem, Harris, Humber, Graham...

Doubts about returning are RBs Thomas, Sproles, Strief, DLP...
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Re: Free agents 2014

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
The "must" re-signs on this team are Graham, Bush...

Bring back in role at current pay rate guys are Collins, Meachem, Harris, Humber, Graham...

Doubts about returning are RBs Thomas, Sproles, Strief, DLP...
Doubts about returning list would be a killer. one or two maybe but all 4 dam
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Doubts about returning list would be a killer. one or two maybe but all 4 dam
I really see this roster getting "semi" blowed up this offseason, necessary though to sort of reset the salary cap and the team average age (i.e. younger, faster, stronger, better)...
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Originally Posted by Per NFL.com

Top 25 Free Agents

01. TE Jimmy Graham, New Orleans Saints*1
02. DE Greg Hardy, Carolina Panthers
03. LB Brian Orakpo, Washington Redskins
04. FS Jairus Byrd, Buffalo Bills
05. SS T.J. Ward, Cleveland Browns
06. CB Alterraun Verner, Tennessee Titans
07. LT Branden Albert, Kansas City Chiefs
08. DE Michael Johnson, Cincinnati Bengals
09. DE Lamarr Houston, Oakland Raiders
10. CB Brent Grimes, Miami Dolphins
11. LT Eugene Monroe, Baltimore Ravens*3
12. CB Vontae Davis, Indianapolis Colts
13. DT Linval Joseph, New York Giants
14. DT Jason Hatcher, Dallas Cowboys
15. LT Jared Veldheer, Oakland Raiders
16. CB Aqib Talib, New England Patriots
17. CB Dominique Cromartie, Denver Broncos
18. OC Alex Mack, Cleveland Browns*2
19. WR Eric Decker, Denver Broncos
20. DE Michael Bennett, Seattle Seahawks
21. DT B.J. Raji, Green Bay Packers
22. CB Sam Shields, Green Bay Packers
23. CB Walter Thurmond, Seattle Seahawks
24. LB Donald Butler, San Diego Chargers
25. DT Randy Starks, Miami Dolphins
Source: Jimmy Graham leads top 25 NFL free agents for 2014 - NFL.com

*Free Agents Saints Should Target

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Originally Posted by NFL.com

Top 25 Free Agents

01. TE Jimmy Graham, New Orleans Saints*
02. DE Greg Hardy, Carolina Panthers
03. LB Brian Orakpo, Washington Redskins
04. FS Jairus Byrd, Buffalo Bills
05. SS T.J. Ward, Cleveland Browns
06. CB Alterraun Verner, Tennessee Titans
07. LT Branden Albert, Kansas City Chiefs
08. DE Michael Johnson, Cincinnati Bengals
09. DE Lamarr Houston, Oakland Raiders
10. CB Brent Grimes, Miami Dolphins
11. LT Eugene Monroe, Baltimore Ravens*
12. CB Vontae Davis, Indianapolis Colts
13. DT Linval Joseph, New York Giants
14. DT Jason Hatcher, Dallas Cowboys
15. LT Jared Veldheer, Oakland Raiders
16. CB Aqib Talib, New England Patriots
17. CB Dominique Cromartie, Denver Broncos
18. OC Alex Mack, Cleveland Browns*
19. WR Eric Decker, Denver Broncos
20. DE Michael Bennett, Seattle Seahawks
21. DT B.J. Raji, Green Bay Packers
22. CB Sam Shields, Green Bay Packers
23. CB Walter Thurmond, Seattle Seahawks
24. LB Donald Butler, San Diego Chargers
25. DT Randy Starks, Miami Dolphins

Saints must sign TE Jimmy Graham...

C Alex Mack would make the Offensive Line Special...

If Drew Brees takes a pay cut, OT Eugene Monroe makes the line a monster...
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Saints must sign TE Jimmy Graham... (To Be Franchised If Unable to Sign/Check)

C Alex Mack would make the Offensive Line Special...

If Drew Brees takes a pay cut, OT Eugene Monroe makes the line a monster...

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Source: Jimmy Graham leads top 25 NFL free agents for 2014 - NFL.com

*Free Agents Saints Should Target
I would say add Sam Shields (CB from Green Bay) to that list too. He is very underrated and Lewis + Shields (with Corey White as slot CB) would be amazing.
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I would say add Sam Shields (CB from Green Bay) to that list too. He is very underrated and Lewis + Shields (with Corey White as slot CB) would be amazing.

Shields is a fine enough CB, but I'd prefer Alterraun Verner for the physical bump and jam style CB; Shields is an older version of when we signed Jabari Greer...
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