Free agents 2014

jeanpierre · 02-26-2014, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Ohh ohh ohhh.. Light bulb just came on!

You want picks for Graham? Let him walk.

What would he be worth in compensatory picks? 3rd rounder

Should he be franchised with non-exclusive tag, the compensation currently is two first rounders - provided the tag holds...

I'd be happy if we could negotiate a first and a third round pick in this draft (if they're in the front halves of the rounds)...

Any way you cut it, the Saints can't sign, or keep, any other players when nearly 60 million of the salary cap will be committed to five (5) players, including a signing of Graham...

And try trading him and that albatross of a possible contract when he continues to break down or continues to "not" produce in "big" games...

TheOak · 02-26-2014, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Should he be franchised with non-exclusive tag, the compensation currently is two first rounders - provided the tag holds...

I'd be happy if we could negotiate a first and a third round pick in this draft (if they're in the front halves of the rounds)...

Any way you cut it, the Saints can't sign, or keep, any other players when nearly 60 million of the salary cap will be committed to five (5) players, including a signing of Graham...

And try trading him and that albatross of a possible contract when he continues to break down or continues to "not" produce in "big" games...

Here is my wash and hesitation with the non-exclusive tag..... It's lower than the exclusive tag so here are the possibilities.

1. He doesn't ink a deal with another team, you just lowballed the sh1t out of him and that WILL effect his performance and morale for an entire season. You also risk souring the locker room because of how you lowballed him. He is well liked.

2. Have you ever heard of a team picking up a player on the non-exclusive? I can't find any evidence of it. Play GM for a minute, you are going to have to give him what he wants for him to ink, so that costs you 11m/year AND 2 first round draft picks. You going to give that up for Jimmy Graham?

3. What if he refuses to sign the NE tag? You just soured JG, the locker room, and didn't get a damn thing from it.

Or you let him walk as an RFA with a First round tender and see what you get. Plus a compensatory pick the following season.

Schmohams · 03-01-2014, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

2. Have you ever heard of a team picking up a player on the non-exclusive? I can't find any evidence of it.

Curtis Martin was traded for two first rounders.

jeanpierre · 03-01-2014, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

Curtis Martin was traded for two first rounders.

Actually compensation was awarded in the form of a first and third round pick as compensation for the restricted free agent...

TheOak · 03-02-2014, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

Curtis Martin was traded for two first rounders.

You say that with stern conviction as if it actually happened. It was a 1st and a 3rd, there was no Franchise Tag involved, not was there 12m dollars a year involved.

Apples to walnuts

jeanpierre · 03-02-2014, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

Curtis Martin was traded for two first rounders.

But your point is well made Schmohams, Martin was a Restricted Free Agent and a was a prized Free Agent...

Teams WILL spend picks for a player that is a triple impact threat - Wins, Gate, Television...

Graham going to a team like Miami would be huge for them- College Hometown Hero Returns to Resurrect Storied Franchise...

And we've got a good trade history with them as well; more recently, Ricky Williams, Reggie Bush...

02-26-2014, 07:39 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Free agents 2014 Originally Posted by TheOak Ohh ohh ohhh.. Light bulb just came on! You want picks for Graham? Let him walk. What would he be worth in compensatory picks? 3rd rounder Should he be franchised with non-exclusive tag, the compensation currently is two first rounders - provided the tag holds... I'd be happy if we could negotiate a first and a third round pick in this draft (if they're in the front halves of the rounds)... Any way you cut it, the Saints can't sign, or keep, any other players when nearly 60 million of the salary cap will be committed to five (5) players, including a signing of Graham... And try trading him and that albatross of a possible contract when he continues to break down or continues to "not" produce in "big" games...
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02-26-2014, 07:57 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Free agents 2014 Originally Posted by jeanpierre Should he be franchised with non-exclusive tag, the compensation currently is two first rounders - provided the tag holds... I'd be happy if we could negotiate a first and a third round pick in this draft (if they're in the front halves of the rounds)... Any way you cut it, the Saints can't sign, or keep, any other players when nearly 60 million of the salary cap will be committed to five (5) players, including a signing of Graham... And try trading him and that albatross of a possible contract when he continues to break down or continues to "not" produce in "big" games... Here is my wash and hesitation with the non-exclusive tag..... It's lower than the exclusive tag so here are the possibilities. 1. He doesn't ink a deal with another team, you just lowballed the sh1t out of him and that WILL effect his performance and morale for an entire season. You also risk souring the locker room because of how you lowballed him. He is well liked. 2. Have you ever heard of a team picking up a player on the non-exclusive? I can't find any evidence of it. Play GM for a minute, you are going to have to give him what he wants for him to ink, so that costs you 11m/year AND 2 first round draft picks. You going to give that up for Jimmy Graham? 3. What if he refuses to sign the NE tag? You just soured JG, the locker room, and didn't get a damn thing from it. Or you let him walk as an RFA with a First round tender and see what you get. Plus a compensatory pick the following season.
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03-01-2014, 06:37 PM	#3
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: Free agents 2014 Originally Posted by TheOak 2. Have you ever heard of a team picking up a player on the non-exclusive? I can't find any evidence of it. Curtis Martin was traded for two first rounders.

03-01-2014, 11:28 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Free agents 2014 Originally Posted by Schmohams Curtis Martin was traded for two first rounders. Actually compensation was awarded in the form of a first and third round pick as compensation for the restricted free agent...

03-02-2014, 04:38 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Free agents 2014 Originally Posted by Schmohams Curtis Martin was traded for two first rounders. You say that with stern conviction as if it actually happened. It was a 1st and a 3rd, there was no Franchise Tag involved, not was there 12m dollars a year involved. Apples to walnuts

03-02-2014, 10:21 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Free agents 2014 Originally Posted by Schmohams Curtis Martin was traded for two first rounders. But your point is well made Schmohams, Martin was a Restricted Free Agent and a was a prized Free Agent... Teams WILL spend picks for a player that is a triple impact threat - Wins, Gate, Television... Graham going to a team like Miami would be huge for them- College Hometown Hero Returns to Resurrect Storied Franchise... And we've got a good trade history with them as well; more recently, Ricky Williams, Reggie Bush...
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