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TheOak 01-15-2014 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 573814)
Linebackers running past Strief on our screens and Payton ver. Bubble routes before he could turn and initiate blocks is still in my mind...



That and that Ahmad Brooks hit...


Strief is a lot better pass blocker than a run blocker.

Different animals, different techniques and skill sets required, Brown is the opposite..... Better run blocker than pass blocker.

NonieT 01-15-2014 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 573919)
Strief is a lot better pass blocker than a run blocker.

Different animals, different techniques and skill sets required, Brown is the opposite..... Better run blocker than pass blocker.

Please, Brown is not a good run blocker.

TheOak 01-15-2014 09:31 AM

Terron Armstead
 
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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 573922)
Please, Brown is not a good run blocker.


Learn to read more and interpret less.

I said Brown was better at run blocking than pass blocking. Nothing more, nothing less.

Stats, grades, all prove that.

jeanpierre 01-15-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 573919)
Strief is a lot better pass blocker than a run blocker.

Different animals, different techniques and skill sets required, Brown is the opposite..... Better run blocker than pass blocker.

The Screen Passes he's looked lost and slow against the better defenses...

TheOak 01-15-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 573958)
The Screen Passes he's looked lost and slow against the better defenses...


Because he was. Same principle as zone run blocking which he didn't fair well with. Brown, Strief..... Built for down hill blocking... Not fleet footed angle based zone or screen blocking.

In standard pass blocking the first step is back/lateral and it's a recoiling or loading of the body, for run or screen it's forward or angular exploding through.

For run blocking you want to hit him hard, exploding up and through the defender pushing back to the second level. In passing your more of a speed bump slowing him down long enough to get the pass off, eventually he will get there.

Schmohams 01-15-2014 01:17 PM

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I bet Coach Payton sat down with the front office and said quality over quantity, because that is what we got. Beautiful UDFA class and besides Rufus, all of the drafted rookies are playing at the NFL level.

The Dude 01-15-2014 09:33 PM

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Our run game was instantly better when he took over and Watson and Hill were in as tight ends.

Boutte 01-16-2014 06:54 AM

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The only reason we should think about drafting a RT is that Strief is getting older and it would wise to start grooming his replacement.

Streif was the of that unit this year. Injuries and poor LT play (in some games.) made the line look a lot worse than it really is.

TheOak 01-16-2014 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 574057)
The only reason we should think about drafting a RT is that Strief is getting older and it would wise to start grooming his replacement.



Streif was the of that unit this year. Injuries and poor LT play (in some games.) made the line look a lot worse than it really is.


Sorry, I'm not very satisfied with the status quo. We are 1-2 pieces away from having a shut down defense when everyone is healthy. All of our offensive woes can in some part be traced to the offensive line and in no way will I believe it's ALL on Brown.

We have reached a point where getting the job done doesn't get the job done. We need to upgrade some pieces and Strief is one.

Utah_Saint 01-16-2014 09:00 AM

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The Saints might not get a choice in the matter. Streif is a free agent and after he may get offers higher than the Saints can afford.

Budsdrinker 01-16-2014 09:42 AM

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DLP is who we need to upgrade. He's the weak link on the OL.

jeanpierre 01-16-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 573458)
So now we don't really need to draft any tackles.... Correct?

Definitely need a tackle; not hating, in fact I like that big lovable lug Strief, great guy, but he's sooo sloooow turning, recognizing his blocks on the screens, and bubble routes that the defensive linemen and linebackers are running past him before he turns and blows up our running backs and/or tight ends...

jeanpierre 01-16-2014 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 574099)
DLP is who we need to upgrade. He's the weak link on the OL.

He's not the only one, Grubbs and Strief need to be examined and assessed; Grubbs cap number is especially harmful...

TheOak 01-16-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 574104)
He's not the only one, Grubbs and Strief need to be examined and assessed; Grubbs cap number is especially harmful...


Last 18 games were enough examination and assessment for me. You want to draft and hang on... Where are we cutting depth for all these extra offensive linemen?

fischware 01-16-2014 12:18 PM

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I think a Pro Bowl Center would put us there. Also a WR like Fitzgerald or Bolden.

TheOak 01-16-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fischware (Post 574132)
I think a Pro Bowl Center would put us there. Also a WR like Fitzgerald or Bolden.


As we struggle to figure out how to pay for Graham I must ask.... How on earth would you pay for all of that?

Boutte 01-16-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 574148)
As we struggle to figure out how to pay for Graham I must ask.... How on earth would you pay for all of that?

Exactly! Everybody (ok not everybody) wanted Bushrod gone, before that they wanted Stinchcmb gone, now it's Strief. You'd think Pro-Bowl thises and thats grew on trees and were willing to play for free. Put down the Madden and try to live in the real world. DLP is the only guy that realistically could be replaced affordably. And even he isn't terrible.

I know let's get Brees to play for less than Ryan, Cutler, Flacco, Schaubb, Brady, Manning, Rivers and Rogers. You know that every FA pro-bowler is just dieing to come play for us on the cheap.

NonieT 01-16-2014 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 574156)
Exactly! Everybody (ok not everybody) wanted Bushrod gone, before that they wanted Stinchcmb gone, now it's Strief. You'd think Pro-Bowl thises and thats grew on trees and were willing to play for free. Put down the Madden and try to live in the real world. DLP is the only guy that realistically could be replaced affordably. And even he isn't terrible.

I didn't want Stinch gone. He was playing pretty well until he was injured. I actually miss the guy. And if we need to replace Strief the only affordable way would be to draft someone or replace him with someone already on the roster. We really can't afford to bring anyone in.

Jack Vegas 01-16-2014 03:31 PM

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Nothing wrong with Strief. Evans being hurt most of the year was more responsbile for any struggles on the right side of the line than Streif. In fact I would say Strief is as good right now as Stinchcomb was at his peak.

No problem with bringing in somebody to compete with DLP, but I think the starting five on the OL is fine just as it is. Grubbs is vastly overpaid as a good not great player.


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