A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions

exile · 01-13-2014, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I would let Jenkins walk, walk, walk.

Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar.

WhoDatFan26 · 01-13-2014, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by exile

Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar.

Thank You. Malcolm Jenkins is far from the problem on our team. Getting rid of him will only cause other problems. We need him back.

jeanpierre · 01-13-2014, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by exile

Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar.

Jenkins' mistackles will be his undoing; can't have the backstop whiffing that much...

halloween 65 · 01-13-2014, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by exile

Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar.

I don't think so!! He wouldn't even come close!! Bad comparing him to Earl Thomas. Thomas is a great FS, Jenkins really isn't FS material.

ikecomp · 01-13-2014, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I don't think so!! He wouldn't even come close!! Bad comparing him to Earl Thomas. Thomas is a great FS, Jenkins really isn't FS material.

Earl thomas is really good but I wouldn't say great. When he's not running through receivers backs to make plays he's usually cleaning up other peoples tackles. There is nothing wrong with that but when you get him one on one he is nowhere near as formidable as people make him out to be. There are even times where he looks a little like harper out there whiffing on one on one tackles.

Ed reed was a great safety, Rod woodson was a great safety, Darren sharper was a great saftey. Earl Thomas is a really good safety playing on a team stacked with dline and db talent. Just watch the san fran game this weekend. If he gets caught on boldin, crabtree or davis one on one you will see what I'm talking about.

blackangold · 01-13-2014, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar.

Christ, how many times do I have to post the stuff I am going to post...

Jenkins is among the worst safeties in the NFL. How some fans that watch every game miss the fact he never make plays in coverage and can't tackle is remarkable. Jenkins won't be cut, he is a free agent and shouldn't be back.

Jenkins is awful but don't take my word for it...

Here is PFF from 2011: "Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL"

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams) | February | 2012 Articles

Here is PFF from 2012: Jenkins was ranked 88th out of 88 grade safeties. Thats right Jenkins was the worst safety in the league...

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) | February | 2013 Articles

Here is a list of all FA safeties available with their grades by PFF(2013):

Out of 46 FA safeties Jenkins is 41st with a -6.0 rating. Thats just the FAs... He is trash, Harper is more useful than Jenkins...FFS

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...gent-safeties/

Danno · 01-13-2014, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Christ, how many times do I have to post the stuff I am going to post...

Jenkins is among the worst safeties in the NFL. How some fans that watch every game miss the fact he never make plays in coverage and can't tackle is remarkable. Jenkins won't be cut, he is a free agent and shouldn't be back.

Jenkins is awful but don't take my word for it...

Here is PFF from 2012: "Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL"

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams) | February | 2012 Articles

Here is PFF from 2012: Jenkins was ranked 88th out of 88 grade safeties. Thats right Jenkins was the worst safety in the league...

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) | February | 2013 Articles

Here is a list of all FA safeties available with their grades by PFF:

Out of 46 FA safeties Jenkins is 41st with a -6.0 rating. Thats just the FAs... He is trash, Harper is more useful than Jenkins...FFS

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...gent-safeties/

Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart.

|Mitch| · 01-13-2014, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart.

Seriously; using 2012 as a basis for defensive stats...

blackangold · 01-13-2014, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart.

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Seriously; using 2012 as a basis for defensive stats...

Yet you completely ignore the 2011 and 2013 grades that are in the post... You can choose to be ignorant I guess.

|Mitch| · 01-13-2014, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Yet you completely ignore the 2011 and 2013 grades that are in the post... You can choose to be ignorant I guess.

So 2011 counts when we had a different coordinator and a totally different scheme? ignorance

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exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by halloween 65 I would let Jenkins walk, walk, walk. Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar. saintsfan403 likes this.
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WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by exile Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar. Thank You. Malcolm Jenkins is far from the problem on our team. Getting rid of him will only cause other problems. We need him back.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by exile Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar. Jenkins' mistackles will be his undoing; can't have the backstop whiffing that much... Rugby Saint II, K Major and MarchingOn like this.

01-13-2014, 10:43 AM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by exile Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar. I don't think so!! He wouldn't even come close!! Bad comparing him to Earl Thomas. Thomas is a great FS, Jenkins really isn't FS material.

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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by halloween 65 I don't think so!! He wouldn't even come close!! Bad comparing him to Earl Thomas. Thomas is a great FS, Jenkins really isn't FS material. Earl thomas is really good but I wouldn't say great. When he's not running through receivers backs to make plays he's usually cleaning up other peoples tackles. There is nothing wrong with that but when you get him one on one he is nowhere near as formidable as people make him out to be. There are even times where he looks a little like harper out there whiffing on one on one tackles. Ed reed was a great safety, Rod woodson was a great safety, Darren sharper was a great saftey. Earl Thomas is a really good safety playing on a team stacked with dline and db talent. Just watch the san fran game this weekend. If he gets caught on boldin, crabtree or davis one on one you will see what I'm talking about.
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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by exile Why? Do you think he will want to much $$$. With a decent contract he is still better than 75% of the Safeties in the league. Take teams like San Fran, Seattle and Carolina and their safeties are helped by those D-Lines/LBs. Of course they look pretty. And Seattle has better CBs that help their Safeties way too much. Put Jenk on one of those teams and he would be a superstar. Christ, how many times do I have to post the stuff I am going to post... Jenkins is among the worst safeties in the NFL. How some fans that watch every game miss the fact he never make plays in coverage and can't tackle is remarkable. Jenkins won't be cut, he is a free agent and shouldn't be back. Jenkins is awful but don't take my word for it... Here is PFF from 2011: "Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL" Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams) \| February \| 2012 Articles Here is PFF from 2012: Jenkins was ranked 88th out of 88 grade safeties. Thats right Jenkins was the worst safety in the league... Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) \| February \| 2013 Articles Here is a list of all FA safeties available with their grades by PFF(2013): Out of 46 FA safeties Jenkins is 41st with a -6.0 rating. Thats just the FAs... He is trash, Harper is more useful than Jenkins...FFS https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...gent-safeties/

01-13-2014, 09:08 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by blackangold Christ, how many times do I have to post the stuff I am going to post... Jenkins is among the worst safeties in the NFL. How some fans that watch every game miss the fact he never make plays in coverage and can't tackle is remarkable. Jenkins won't be cut, he is a free agent and shouldn't be back. Jenkins is awful but don't take my word for it... Here is PFF from 2012: "Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL" Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams) \| February \| 2012 Articles Here is PFF from 2012: Jenkins was ranked 88th out of 88 grade safeties. Thats right Jenkins was the worst safety in the league... Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) \| February \| 2013 Articles Here is a list of all FA safeties available with their grades by PFF: Out of 46 FA safeties Jenkins is 41st with a -6.0 rating. Thats just the FAs... He is trash, Harper is more useful than Jenkins...FFS https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...gent-safeties/ Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by Danno Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart. Seriously; using 2012 as a basis for defensive stats...

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by Danno Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart. Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Seriously; using 2012 as a basis for defensive stats... Yet you completely ignore the 2011 and 2013 grades that are in the post... You can choose to be ignorant I guess.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by blackangold Yet you completely ignore the 2011 and 2013 grades that are in the post... You can choose to be ignorant I guess. So 2011 counts when we had a different coordinator and a totally different scheme? ignorance

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