Khiry Robinson Possible Saints Back of the Future?

01-17-2014, 08:29 AM

Different angle. There is a business side of this that needs to be taken into account, and passion or dislike for players should be removed from the equation.

Ingram (24 yo) - has a 2.3m cap hit and coming off his best season may be precisely why he is up for trade. Only 1 healthy season of his 3. FA 2015

Sproles (30 yo)- 4.2m cap hit but is more flexible but getting long in the NFL tooth FA 2015

PT (29 yo)- 2.9M cap hit but is the screen master.. getting long in the NFL tooth. FA 2015

K. Robinson (24 yo)- 500k cap hit and has proven to be very flexible, durable, young and hungry. FA 2016

Cadet (24 yo) - 570k in cap hit FA 2015

Here is a different angle to consider. If you are in the NFC Championship game which of the above would you least like to see running the ball against you? Of all listed above and what I have seen Ingram would be my preference of who we would have to stop basically because with out a wide open hole he isn't going anywhere.

We also know what PT and Sproles new if resigned contracts would look like because neither are on their 1st.

What I find odd is all of the people that have claimed for years that we do not use Ingram correctly want to keep him. News Flash... Sean Payton is not going to give any RB 20 carries per game.

jeanpierre · 01-17-2014, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Sean Payton is not going to give any RB 20 carries per game.

True.

What happened with Knile Davis in Kansas City showed that if you have a good play selection and effective line, you can run the ball with any competent back toting the rock...

Which is also why I'd never want to spend a high draft pick on a RB unless you have few offensive weapons and that back is solid, non-perishable and runs a sub 4.38 in the 40 - so I never liked using a one on Ingram...

TheOak · 01-17-2014, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

True.

What happened with Knile Davis in Kansas City showed that if you have a good play selection and effective line, you can run the ball with any competent back toting the rock...

Which is also why I'd never want to spend a high draft pick on a RB unless you have few offensive weapons and that back is solid, non-perishable and runs a sub 4.38 in the 40 - so I never liked using a one on Ingram...

We need to get past him being a first round draft pick as that is irrelevant now except for maybe trade value if any other team buys that line.

Bottom line on our running back corps is that we want the cheapest group of RBs with out sacrificing the playbook or the running game. Sproles has a niche, Thomas has a niche, Robinson we do not know for certain yet, Cadet we do not know for certain yet... Which in my view puts Ingram as the odd man out simply because he hasn't proven to have a specialty or is a 1.5M dollar running back over Robinson and Cadet.

dueceloose · 01-17-2014, 11:53 AM

If he stays healthy and keeps running like he did in seattle anything is possible.

alleycat_126 · 01-17-2014, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Not even really worth talking about, we all know that the Saints have a pass first offense. A typical box score in 2014 will probably look the same as always: Brees 30-45, 352, 3-0. Ingram 7-22, Robinson 5-15, Thomas 5-25...

But it doesn't and shouldn't have to be that way, especially if your trying to get the most out of a 36 and counting Drew Brees. For me, I wouldn't hold ties to any of them....... Bring in new blood in the draft, pair him with Khiry... and decide between cadet, Pierre, sproles, and Ingram for the final spot...

jeanpierre · 01-21-2014, 06:16 PM

Robinson is definitely one of our future backs, he's under contract...

halloween 65 · 01-21-2014, 06:26 PM

I think Ingram stays, look at how long it took Mendenhall in Pittsburg and McCoy in Philly to get going. If Ingram can stay healthy and run the way he has run of late, he and Robinson(who I think is the better back) would make a good 1-2 punch. If PT stays he could spell out the 2 but if he doesn't I would get a power back to spell them out and to close out the game.

Cruize · 01-21-2014, 06:38 PM

If the Saints need the cap to sign someone they really want, Thomas and Sproles could be on the way out. Otherwise, one of them will be back for sure and probably both. It will be about salary, not talent. I personally would cut both and work Ingram and Robinson hard this offseason to get them fully involved in the offense. The offense will be less predictable and more explosive in my opinion.

halloween 65 · 01-22-2014, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

If the Saints need the cap to sign someone they really want, Thomas and Sproles could be on the way out. Otherwise, one of them will be back for sure and probably both. It will be about salary, not talent. I personally would cut both and work Ingram and Robinson hard this offseason to get them fully involved in the offense. The offense will be less predictable and more explosive in my opinion.

I think Sproles and PT are both under contract. I would try to get something for them instead of cutting them. I agree that Robinson and Ingram would make it less predictable and more explosive 100%. I think we could carry 3 backs Robinson, Ingram and ?, Play 2 backs on gameday and dress the ?, back. Carrying 4 backs is to many, sometimes simpler is better.

Danno · 01-22-2014, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I think Sproles and PT are both under contract. I would try to get something for them instead of cutting them. I agree that Robinson and Ingram would make it less predictable and more explosive 100%. I think we could carry 3 backs Robinson, Ingram and ?, Play 2 backs on gameday and dress the ?, back. Carrying 4 backs is to many, sometimes simpler is better.

We carry 5 RB's and 1 FB.

4 isn't too many, but 5 may be.

I think nearly all teams carry at least 4.

01-17-2014, 08:29 AM	#11
Threaded by TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026 Rating: (0 votes - average) Different angle. There is a business side of this that needs to be taken into account, and passion or dislike for players should be removed from the equation. Ingram (24 yo) - has a 2.3m cap hit and coming off his best season may be precisely why he is up for trade. Only 1 healthy season of his 3. FA 2015 Sproles (30 yo)- 4.2m cap hit but is more flexible but getting long in the NFL tooth FA 2015 PT (29 yo)- 2.9M cap hit but is the screen master.. getting long in the NFL tooth. FA 2015 K. Robinson (24 yo)- 500k cap hit and has proven to be very flexible, durable, young and hungry. FA 2016 Cadet (24 yo) - 570k in cap hit FA 2015 Here is a different angle to consider. If you are in the NFC Championship game which of the above would you least like to see running the ball against you? Of all listed above and what I have seen Ingram would be my preference of who we would have to stop basically because with out a wide open hole he isn't going anywhere. We also know what PT and Sproles new if resigned contracts would look like because neither are on their 1st. What I find odd is all of the people that have claimed for years that we do not use Ingram correctly want to keep him. News Flash... Sean Payton is not going to give any RB 20 carries per game.
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01-17-2014, 09:05 AM	#12
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Khiry Robinson Possible Saints Back of the Future? Originally Posted by TheOak Sean Payton is not going to give any RB 20 carries per game. True. What happened with Knile Davis in Kansas City showed that if you have a good play selection and effective line, you can run the ball with any competent back toting the rock... Which is also why I'd never want to spend a high draft pick on a RB unless you have few offensive weapons and that back is solid, non-perishable and runs a sub 4.38 in the 40 - so I never liked using a one on Ingram...

01-17-2014, 09:13 AM	#13
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Khiry Robinson Possible Saints Back of the Future? Originally Posted by jeanpierre True. What happened with Knile Davis in Kansas City showed that if you have a good play selection and effective line, you can run the ball with any competent back toting the rock... Which is also why I'd never want to spend a high draft pick on a RB unless you have few offensive weapons and that back is solid, non-perishable and runs a sub 4.38 in the 40 - so I never liked using a one on Ingram... We need to get past him being a first round draft pick as that is irrelevant now except for maybe trade value if any other team buys that line. Bottom line on our running back corps is that we want the cheapest group of RBs with out sacrificing the playbook or the running game. Sproles has a niche, Thomas has a niche, Robinson we do not know for certain yet, Cadet we do not know for certain yet... Which in my view puts Ingram as the odd man out simply because he hasn't proven to have a specialty or is a 1.5M dollar running back over Robinson and Cadet. The Dude likes this.
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01-17-2014, 11:53 AM	#14
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01-17-2014, 01:50 PM	#15
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Khiry Robinson Possible Saints Back of the Future? Originally Posted by MatthewT Not even really worth talking about, we all know that the Saints have a pass first offense. A typical box score in 2014 will probably look the same as always: Brees 30-45, 352, 3-0. Ingram 7-22, Robinson 5-15, Thomas 5-25... But it doesn't and shouldn't have to be that way, especially if your trying to get the most out of a 36 and counting Drew Brees. For me, I wouldn't hold ties to any of them....... Bring in new blood in the draft, pair him with Khiry... and decide between cadet, Pierre, sproles, and Ingram for the final spot... TheOak likes this.

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01-21-2014, 06:16 PM	#16
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01-21-2014, 06:26 PM	#17
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Khiry Robinson Possible Saints Back of the Future? I think Ingram stays, look at how long it took Mendenhall in Pittsburg and McCoy in Philly to get going. If Ingram can stay healthy and run the way he has run of late, he and Robinson(who I think is the better back) would make a good 1-2 punch. If PT stays he could spell out the 2 but if he doesn't I would get a power back to spell them out and to close out the game.

01-21-2014, 06:38 PM	#18
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: Khiry Robinson Possible Saints Back of the Future? If the Saints need the cap to sign someone they really want, Thomas and Sproles could be on the way out. Otherwise, one of them will be back for sure and probably both. It will be about salary, not talent. I personally would cut both and work Ingram and Robinson hard this offseason to get them fully involved in the offense. The offense will be less predictable and more explosive in my opinion.
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01-22-2014, 09:35 AM	#19
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Khiry Robinson Possible Saints Back of the Future? Originally Posted by Cruize If the Saints need the cap to sign someone they really want, Thomas and Sproles could be on the way out. Otherwise, one of them will be back for sure and probably both. It will be about salary, not talent. I personally would cut both and work Ingram and Robinson hard this offseason to get them fully involved in the offense. The offense will be less predictable and more explosive in my opinion. I think Sproles and PT are both under contract. I would try to get something for them instead of cutting them. I agree that Robinson and Ingram would make it less predictable and more explosive 100%. I think we could carry 3 backs Robinson, Ingram and ?, Play 2 backs on gameday and dress the ?, back. Carrying 4 backs is to many, sometimes simpler is better.

01-22-2014, 10:38 AM	#20
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Khiry Robinson Possible Saints Back of the Future? Originally Posted by halloween 65 I think Sproles and PT are both under contract. I would try to get something for them instead of cutting them. I agree that Robinson and Ingram would make it less predictable and more explosive 100%. I think we could carry 3 backs Robinson, Ingram and ?, Play 2 backs on gameday and dress the ?, back. Carrying 4 backs is to many, sometimes simpler is better. We carry 5 RB's and 1 FB. 4 isn't too many, but 5 may be. I think nearly all teams carry at least 4.

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