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blackangold 01-20-2014 07:42 PM
Re: It's become very apparent
 
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 574963)
LOL, OK, when he did mess up, he messed up big.
He didn't really mess up though... If he doesn't let Brees take that hit and draw the flag we might have lost that game... (devils advocate lol)

blackangold 01-20-2014 07:49 PM
Re: It's become very apparent
 
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Originally Posted by Saintaintso (Post 574943)
Our record against superior teams reflects and solidifies my logic ... Where is your proof ? I am usually the optimistic type but we're going to waste having a franchise hall of famers sweet prime years by lying and keep on telling ourselves were Elite ...

Jimmy is elite until Sherman or Talib or Revis gets a hold of him ... Then what ?

We're soft and easily intimidated on the road ( which ironically is when it counts )

You cannot dismiss my arguments as typical crap when this much evidence supports what I am saying ...

Cameron Jordan is the closest thing we have to a true elite player on either side of the ball ... Argue with that bubba
We can easily turn the corner. Armstead helped tremendously. Our D is great and nothing really needs to change there. The offense needs to be able to run the ball. In the years our offense was extremely successful we were able to run the ball well (09 11). We are very close to having a great running game again, and I think you could see that at the end of the season. Robinson can be a beast and Ingram started to come on nicely at the end of the season (playoffs included). Moving into 2014 I think we have the makings of a great team again; what really matters is Payton's willingness to give Robinson the ball more and change the playbook a bit (we need some new looks).

We don't need to mold ourselves into another team.

Utah_Saint 01-20-2014 07:50 PM
Re: It's become very apparent
 
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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 574965)
He didn't really mess up though... If he doesn't let Brees take that hit and draw the flag we might have lost that game... (devils advocate lol)
Yeah, yeah, that's it. It was planned all along. That's why Drew ducked, to get the contact to the "head and neck area." Just the way they drew it up. And boy did those niners fall for it.

VillainAgain 01-21-2014 02:47 AM
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points of interest. Tampa's D played well but elite is not the word. The Panthers caught lightning in a bottle a few times even a blind squirrel will find a nut. The is a guy who wears #9 who is and has been elite since we acquired his services, Cam Jordan is menacing not just elite yet. I'm not gonna bash DLP too much he just got acustomed to getting his ace KICKED every other play I went to the Jets game and it was ugly he looked like he needed 4 more years in College! Streif is serviceable but he could be upgraded he gets beat by speed rushers almost always, Charles Brown should be ashamed of him self. Maybe Robert Quinn will break him off a lil something for helping him secure a monster payday, Corey White needs to play a bit more before I stop worrying he's got good coverage skills but doesn't play the ball looks like a pat robinson out there always in the back pocket but never really in position to break up the pass, Roman Harper should have been converted to LB years ago! IMO Offense needs to catch up, speed + our reliable players will get us back to a deadly level, The defense needs CB health and a FLUSHING KICKER!!!!!!! This was the worst coached Sean Payton Team I've seen, way too many penalties and we gotta get the return game going to many 70-80 yard drives. Our defense knows how to get off the field we need the Offense needs to put up points so they can get team o's off the field

alleycat_126 01-21-2014 06:08 AM
Re: It's become very apparent
 
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Originally Posted by Saintaintso (Post 574943)
Our record against superior teams reflects and solidifies my logic ... Where is your proof ? I am usually the optimistic type but we're going to waste having a franchise hall of famers sweet prime years by lying and keep on telling ourselves were Elite ...
Where did you hear in the past two season anyone call us elite... Were a good team.... But here's a quick news flash..... There are no Elite teams in the NFC!!!!

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Jimmy is elite until Sherman or Talib or Revis gets a hold of him ... Then what ?
LOL... Then it's up to us to make them pay for that... the problem is the tight end is our best player..... This is an issue that can be resolved!!!!
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We're soft an easily intimidated on the road ( which ironically is when it counts )
You have heard so many people say this you've started buying into it.... Wake up... A refs call we win in New England... A stop we win in Carolina... and those were just the close ones... you hoist a championship on those two W's......
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You cannot dismiss my arguments as typical crap when this much evidence supports what I am saying ...
LOL I can because that's what it is... No evidence supports a 7-9 team with a 4 game improvement being called soft.....
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Cameron Jordan is the closest thing we have to a true elite player on either side of the ball ... Argue with that bubba
But you started this year with no elite players on Defense... BTW I think #28 Keenan Lewis is another elite player and he's on the squad as well.....

Jack Vegas 01-21-2014 10:10 AM
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LOL, if the Saints are not an elite team then who is. Not counting the bounty garbage year (which doesn't count for obvious reasons) we are 13-3, 11-5, 13-3, 11-5 since 2009. That's averaging 12 wins a year. We've been to the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years and in that time we are setting QB and offense league records left and right. What exactly is your definition of elite team if it is not the Saints?

Also I think most would agree that Brees and Jahri Evans are also pretty elite players. and generally speaking most around the NFL still call Graham the best tight end in football even despite his recent disappearing act.

The only thing that's really "apparent" here is that a lot of people are spoiled rotten. Did you really think we were going to win the Super Bowl every year? There are about 28 teams in the NFL that would love to trade their last 5 years for our last 5 years.

Saintaintso 01-21-2014 10:36 AM
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Truth be told we are only a few moves away , question is does sp have the stones to make em ...

Drew has never had a true #1 receiver

Fix that and get him some real freaking weapons ... On Peyton mannings level ...

Hell if we have to go get jacoby ford , Devin Hester , Ted ginn and Mccluster to get somebody on this team open freaking do it ... The man is getting old we can all tell , balls sail on him , constantly under throwing guys ...

2 our offensive line is atrocious ... Armstead more than held up when Charlie failed us , but I'm tired of watching DLP and Strief get embarrassingly manhandled ... One of these plays they're going to get Brees killed ... And they almost do on at least 3 plays per game ...

And another thing why don't we cut the guys who we can't block ??? That'd buy at least a second rather than letting Quinn barge in a take the deed to our quarterbacks soul ...

Or we can just go into a shell build around our running game and defense ... Brees would be an elite manager for at least 7 more years ...

I don't know I'm still depressed

TheOak 01-21-2014 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Saintaintso (Post 575068)

I don't know I'm still depressed
Never grocery shop when you are hungry, or go to the liquor store when you are drunk.

I'll leave my .02 in my pocket on your previous posts since you are having a rough spell.

:bng:

Saintaintso 01-21-2014 11:50 AM
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Took you long enough to respond lol

WillSaints81 01-21-2014 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 574804)
I hate to think it.

But I believe its been rigged for a good part of 15-16 years if not longer.

I try to not pay attention to it, but its hard not to when you see so many glaring problems that pop up, most of it with the league.

Fantasy Football
Story Lines created by the media
Vegas
Officiating
Roger Goodell
Spygate where evidence was destroyed
Patriots winning 3 SBs following 9-11.


I will admit to something else, I have watched Wrestling as long as I have football, the similarities are there, difference is, players are not jobbing to other players or teams. Although you can make a case for the Atl/Car game in Week 16.


I still never figured out how the NFC sends so many different teams to the SB in the last 15 years (basically all but Dallas, Minny, Wash, and Detroit) all while the AFC only sends about 5 different teams in that time span compared to the NFCs what is it? 10-11 teams?

Perhaps alot of it has to do with NFL and its marketing of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning who has been in the SB 8 of those 15 years.

Everytime Peyton Manning has went into the SB, its an easy team.

2006 - Bears
2009 - Saints (thought this would be easy for Indy) Backfired.
2013 - Seahawks

I guarantee you and I would bet money on it, Denver will blow out Seattle by 20-25+ pts.

Much like Pittsburgh 2 titles the last decade off Arizona and Seattle. Theirs plenty stories behind the Rooneys as it is.

you cant make this **** up either.

There's also this, before this year all the NFC divisions took turn representing the sb and one division's team couldnt go but once every three or four years. Also the AFC has had a three year rotation among the steelers, colts, and patriots before the jets botched that up in 11 and the ravens last year. And FF does play a big role. Part of me believe its fixed another believes luck is involved.

WillSaints81 01-21-2014 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Saintaintso (Post 574810)
Did I refer to any saying we needed thugs ? Negative ... I said there is a clear drop off of talent when playing physical teams ... We are soft , and what they say about us is apparent and true ... From the gate we are in damage control mode against physical teams and it shows , we play different , we play intimidated

I say physical and automatically think of thugs ? Give me a team of physical freaks you can keep the finesse offense because against the cream of the crop it don't work !!!

We had like a 5 game lead in our division and lost to a team we had no business losing to because they play with a chip on their shoulders ( Carolina ) ... And your going to tell me were just fine ???

Blasphemy !!!!
We were not up 5, the best we were up was 3 and a half after week 5.

triman 01-21-2014 07:55 PM
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I don't care for Richard Sherman's post game rant or his behavior in general .He is a outstanding CB. Both safeties are outstanding. If we could model our D backfield I would love to have another good young FS to pair with Vaccaro. And a bookend playmaker CB to pair with K.Lewis. While we re at a OLB passrusher and a.nother good DE . Top it off with a road grader RT AND better C . The cherry on top would be a WR that also was a threat as a KR.

WillSaints81 01-21-2014 08:10 PM
Re: It's become very apparent
 
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Originally Posted by Saintaintso (Post 574946)
For instance ... Do you think we could've won in Green Bay or Carolina as the niners did ? Haha we've never done either with this current " elite " team we supposedly have ... That Green Bay loss sent us to San Fran

That carolina loss sent us to Seattle ... Where we ... You guessed it , got bullied around again in an embarrassing fashion


Yes I do. Green Bay was not good, and Carolina would have had to play us again with an improved Armstead and the fact that they were playoff virgins.

The Dude 01-21-2014 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 574776)
Meh, things change so fast. I don't think either team is a flash in the pan. But the Packers looked like an invincible dynasty team 2 years ago and this year they barely scraped their way into the playoffs.

In particular I can see Seattle imploding in a couple of years. They've got a lot of loudmouths. Big thug talk and bravado can get you a ways but sooner or later you're going to come up against a better team and all that evaporates.

I do not want the Saints to strive to become like either of these teams. It is not who we are as a team or city. They get their day in the sun right now and that's fine, but they don't have the class and professionalism of organizations like the Saints, Patriots, Packers and a few other teams that aren't a total thugged-out embarrassment to the league.
Green Bay didn't have their starting QB for damn near half a season and still made it. If Brees missed the same number of games as Rodgers we wouldn't have made the playoffs at all. Green Bay will be in the thick of it like it or not for a long time to come.
I agree that Seattle and SF look like the teams to beat for the next few years, but we aren't far off. IT is going to start with fixing our offensive line and adding a WR who can stretch.
Brees was not near as accurate this year because our line gave him absolutely no time in the pocket and he was running for his life and we got to see how good our receivers really are. Brees, when he is protected, makes our receivers look better than they actually are. Don't get me wrong we have good receivers, but no where near great.
This is why it kills me when Falcons fans try and say that Ryan is better than Drew. We saw what happened to Ryan this year when he didn't have elite receivers to throw too. If Brees had Julio and White it wouldn't even be fair.

We draft an early round WR and draft Online and DB with a couple decent free agents sprinkled in and we can be right back at the top.

Schmohams 01-22-2014 10:30 AM
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They have Sherman, we have Graham. Every team has their strengths.


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UK_WhoDat 01-22-2014 12:06 PM
Re: It's become very apparent
 
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Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 574808)
... most fans deep down sense these games are rigged going all the way to the SB. ...
Do they? I guess I am in the minority.
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Originally Posted by Saintaintso (Post 574946)
.....That carolina loss sent us to Seattle ... Where we ... You guessed it , got bullied around again in an embarrassing fashion
we were not bullied around in the Seattle play off game. And it was not embarassing.

SaintsBro 01-22-2014 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 575260)
We were not bullied around in the Seattle play off game. And it was not embarassing.
Suit yourself. Our supposedly top tier offense did not score a single point for three whole quarters. Our elite tight end was completely manhandled and neutralized. We fumbled the ball on our own 20, with no one even touching the guy who fumbled, Marshawn went Beastmode on us AGAIN for a TD, our punter bobbled the ball like a kid in pee wee and kicked a 19 yard punt, and you weren't embarrassed? Like I said, suit yourself.

Jack Vegas 01-22-2014 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 575194)
Green Bay didn't have their starting QB for damn near half a season and still made it.
Yes, because their division was straight garbage. This team with this defense could have easily gone 8-8 with McCown at QB, especially considering how ineffective Brees/offense were down the stretch.

Jack Vegas 01-22-2014 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 575297)
Suit yourself. Our supposedly top tier offense did not score a single point for three whole quarters. Our elite tight end was completely manhandled and neutralized. We fumbled the ball on our own 20, with no one even touching the guy who fumbled, Marshawn went Beastmode on us AGAIN for a TD, our punter bobbled the ball like a kid in pee wee and kicked a 19 yard punt, and you weren't embarrassed? Like I said, suit yourself.
If you were embarrassed by that game, I would hate to be around you regularly because you must be the most negative person on earth. We were never down by more than 2 scores and yet you act like we lost by 30. Have some pride in yourself and your team. This was a good season, stop trying to make it into something bad.

Rugby Saint II 01-24-2014 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 575343)
If you were embarrassed by that game, I would hate to be around you regularly because you must be the most negative person on earth. We were never down by more than 2 scores and yet you act like we lost by 30. Have some pride in yourself and your team. This was a good season, stop trying to make it into something bad.
I was embarrassed for them......we are so much better than that. We need to up grade the Oline at center and RT so we can run the damn ball. We also need a speedy receiver who can actually stretch the field and then contest the corner for the ball.
This team needs upgrade at least four key positions......assuming Armstread is the answer at LT.
We need another impact corner and safety this season as well right now!
No, we are not the same team of destiny. But we can be again with the right moves. We are an 11-5 team.
If we want to play better we need to replace a few starters with fresh talented meat and speed. No, we are not an elite team.....but we are damn well rounded with a ton of potential.

the-commish 01-25-2014 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 574779)
Officiating put Seattle in the SB this year to give Peyton Manning a free ride at the Lombardi.

They did in 2006, they did in 2009 although it backfired. They doing it again this year.
I don't think Peyton is going to beat Seattle. Seattle can score on the Denver defense. Not sure Denver can score enough on the Seattle D to win.


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