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If we're going to win another bowl ... We're either going through the Seahawks or the 49ers. If we hope to compete with them we need to overhaul our team. We've already gotten a head start with the resurgence of our defense led by Rob Ryan. Now It's time for the offense to step to the plate. The conservative way of thinking has served us well in developing players that weren't immediate eye openers at first. But our lack of talent is very apparent when playing top-level competition. No matter which way you spin it as of right now we don't have the personnel to compete with the Patrick Willis's of the world nor the Richard Sherman's nor the Aldon Smith's. In the past we have moderately pursued talent that fell to us this time around keeping Brees's clock in mind we need to aggressively pursue weapons.

We need to quit being so doggone nice and start besting folks so bad the talk about running up the score becomes a problem again.

Trade up , sign superstars let's make some darn noise !

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Meh, things change so fast. I don't think either team is a flash in the pan. But the Packers looked like an invincible dynasty team 2 years ago and this year they barely scraped their way into the playoffs.

In particular I can see Seattle imploding in a couple of years. They've got a lot of loudmouths. Big thug talk and bravado can get you a ways but sooner or later you're going to come up against a better team and all that evaporates.

I do not want the Saints to strive to become like either of these teams. It is not who we are as a team or city. They get their day in the sun right now and that's fine, but they don't have the class and professionalism of organizations like the Saints, Patriots, Packers and a few other teams that aren't a total thugged-out embarrassment to the league.

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Dude they're in the Super Bowl and just canned us ...

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So that means we have to sink to their level? No thanks, I'd rather be proud of the team I root for than get another Super Bowl acting like a bunch of thugged-out trash.

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Officiating put Seattle in the SB this year to give Peyton Manning a free ride at the Lombardi.

They did in 2006, they did in 2009 although it backfired. They doing it again this year.

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I have way more confidence in Peyton and his receivers than Seattle and their defense. I fully expect it to be a blowout.

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I don't think the "let's get some more talent" discussion, excludes the idea that the talent can be non-PED shooting gentlemen. I don't think it's an either / or question.

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I agree I like my team with it's own identity and one respectable when Sean and Drew came in to town we started this quick strike west coast style spread you find other teams trying to emulate I like the little to no media distractions we get from our players it makes long weeks a bit longer bit i can live with that. I disagree with the Thugged out remark only because its being used out of context, a thug is a one who robs and steals beats innocent people. Football players aren't thugs they compete in the hardest sport on Earth their adrenaline pumping raging testosterone so if they show extra aggression doesn't make them thugs it shows character flaws. They may come from bad neighborhoods do some highly questionable things but thats a persons character. To basically brand ethnic players thugs is an issue deeply embedded in our society we need to do away with. Bill Romanowski, Brian Cushing, Clay Mathews Aaron Rodgers, Riley Cooper, Philip Rivers they all do similar if not identical behavior as said "thugs" do and somehow they aren't "thugs" so in general i don't agree with the misuse of the term yes they are huge Aholes going beyond the game just not thugs call a spade a spade

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if you're saying white players aren't generally labeled as "thugs" that might be true. But Bill Romanowski was defeinitely a thug and an embarrassment to his sport. Don't know how you're coming up with those other names though, especially not Rodgers and Rivers who have none of those tendencies.

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It kind of it, in the sense that we don't need to try and acquire players to "match up" with those teams. And I disagree with the premise that we're not good enough to do it right now. We beat the 49ers this year, and played a relatively close game against Seattle in what is supposedly the toughest place to play in the league. Does anybody doubt that if we had hosted Seattle we would have won that game?

This is all a lot of overreaction. There is nothing wrong with the Saints. they don't need to blow up the roster. SP and Loomis need to keep building the team they way they have done so successfully over the last 8 years. And we as fans need to realize that not every year is going to be our year and have faith that eventually it will be our turn again. Because it will.

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the other guys have done the same but got little to no media attention. Rivers jawing at dbs lineman and linebackers alike, rodgers talks trash more then he should, He's tom brady on the nfc north the other teams show fight early but die always ,cushing and mathews are notorious for spitting in the face of players cushing is a puncher and sack grabber, riley cooper with the some how swept under the rug "I'll fight every NI__ER here" comment he made earlier this year all character issues. I feel the same way we don't need to mold after them we just need to improve our offensive line and add a few speed elements to our offense I feel we can do so in the draft and get the air show right on track

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You don't really think football is rigged do you?

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I hate to think it.

But I believe its been rigged for a good part of 15-16 years if not longer.

I try to not pay attention to it, but its hard not to when you see so many glaring problems that pop up, most of it with the league.

Fantasy Football
Story Lines created by the media
Vegas
Officiating
Roger Goodell
Spygate where evidence was destroyed
Patriots winning 3 SBs following 9-11.


I will admit to something else, I have watched Wrestling as long as I have football, the similarities are there, difference is, players are not jobbing to other players or teams. Although you can make a case for the Atl/Car game in Week 16.


I still never figured out how the NFC sends so many different teams to the SB in the last 15 years (basically all but Dallas, Minny, Wash, and Detroit) all while the AFC only sends about 5 different teams in that time span compared to the NFCs what is it? 10-11 teams?

Perhaps alot of it has to do with NFL and its marketing of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning who has been in the SB 8 of those 15 years.

Everytime Peyton Manning has went into the SB, its an easy team.

2006 - Bears
2009 - Saints (thought this would be easy for Indy) Backfired.
2013 - Seahawks

I guarantee you and I would bet money on it, Denver will blow out Seattle by 20-25+ pts.

Much like Pittsburgh 2 titles the last decade off Arizona and Seattle. Theirs plenty stories behind the Rooneys as it is.

you cant make this **** up either.

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I dunno man thats one hell of a script if it is i think the ref's can rig games but for every single ball to bounce a certain way for a special interest i'm not buying that, i think the league/roger have favorites in each matchup thats why they keep giving us bs crews like ed hochuli an his bunch to throw a monkey wrench in our games but ultimately the teams that execute win

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It is if it is a script, but I believe things that are planned to happen can sometimes backfire to. I dont believe we were suppose to win the SB over Indy, then comes all this crap about Bountygate that could prove nothing and they took Sean Payton out for a year. Its almost like Goodell is telling them to play how we want you to play or suffer the consequences.

I think the NFL has too much politicking in it, I think this is where its coming from. It begun after the Salary cap took hold and fresh players were drafted 4-5 years after the Salary Cap era took hold and the older ones were out the door.

lets also be honest, most fans deep down sense these games are rigged going all the way to the SB. I cant help but think that Seattles SB berth is a makeup for the one they lost when they handed Pittsburgh the Lombardi. Seems like how the league is working, scratch my back I scratch your, screw me and I screw you.

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Loving that avatar....

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Did I refer to any saying we needed thugs ? Negative ... I said there is a clear drop off of talent when playing physical teams ... We are soft , and what they say about us is apparent and true ... From the gate we are in damage control mode against physical teams and it shows , we play different , we play intimidated

I say physical and automatically think of thugs ? Give me a team of physical freaks you can keep the finesse offense because against the cream of the crop it don't work !!!

We had like a 5 game lead in our division and lost to a team we had no business losing to because they play with a chip on their shoulders ( Carolina ) ... And your going to tell me were just fine ???

Blasphemy !!!!

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You've got it all backwards. They didn't get where they are today because they've spent the most money or traded up in drafts, they've done so by being able to develop the players they've drafted and creating a system to get the most out of their players.

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Both the 49ers and Seachickens have young QB's that cost them under $500,000 which allowed them to signed talent on defense. Once these rookie contracts are done or they start holding out for new deals, the money will disappear for the defensive talent they have now. By the way in that game yesterday niners probably lost Bowman for 2014 with torn ACL which will make their defense a lot softer and I would bet some seachickens jump ship for bigger pay after the superbowl.

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Not disagreeing, just making some valid discussion points.

We are not in a cap situation to sign superstars unless you are willing to part with Graham?

When you say Brees clock... Manning and Brady both have a couple of years on Drew, do either look like their clock is about to expire? I would say they each have 3+ years left so that would put Drew around 4-5 years left on his clock.

As far as for the apparent because of this year, Seattle is about to be extremely hard up against the cap with free agency. Look at SFs free agents in 2015
San Francisco 49ers Free Agents - 2015

Every year someone wins the Superbowl and every year teams that were in the final 4-5 teams fall off the radar... Falling off the radar will happen to both teams in the next 2 years.

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I think we do.

San Francisco 49ers vs. New Orleans Saints - Box Score - November 17, 2013 - ESPN

I think the team could use some tweaking but no reason to blow anything up right now.

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I sure hope so.

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We are the New Orleans SAINTS !!!

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another overhaul thread...
we were ONE play away from having home field- Pats, Carolina, even the Jets. We also showed up 2 hours late for the Seattle PO game

how many guys need to go? we have 5 guys on defense on IR that can start
We have 9 solid offensive players, with two not far behind.

TAG Jimmy, sign Strief, and draft BPA.

Seattle gets the first place schedule and has a tough division. We'll be fine.

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If REFs will not call a fair game then all saints can do is break the bank next two years an penny pinch in the out years,DREW is 35 saints have a two to three years when drew is at top of his game.Hardst thing to find is a elite QB Saints haveone may not again for another 10 to 15 years.Refs will not ever help us again all that can be done is break the bankYes after drew retires Saints will have to have a roster of half rookie UFDA players to get under cap.49ers did so along with ravens spend to win now an accept a few lean years.

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The 49ers and Seahawks are playing with bargain quarterbacks right now, there is no way they will be able to keep all of their talent and depth and afford Kap and Wilson. No need to dismantle the Saints, just a couple upgrades and this team stays competitive

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I don't buy into trading up theory. I think we have proven having high draft pics doesn't equal success. Being smart, evaluating...

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there's a couple of teams with physical freaks sitting on the couch right next to us, and I be damned if it ain't the team you said is better than us. We actually are just fine... A stop against Carolina, and a call against New England and you would be singing a different tune....

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We lost 3 division clinchers in a row ! Any of which has us winning and most likely playing in this Super Bowl as our home filed advantage is that good ... To say we're fine you're lying to yourself ...

And despite what the stats said against San Fran they don't show just how many plays DLP or Strief we're hanging on by just a thread ...

Oh and has everyone completely forgotten that the falcons are legit contenders on a very down year and will be back ?

And Carolina is getting better ( obviously enough to hawk us on a 5 game division lead )

Anyone forgotten about Lovie smith going to that already elite defense in Tampa ?

What about Aaron Rodgers returning with the pack when they get back in track ?

We're lying to ourselves if we think we're okay how we are

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May I borrow your logic?

We are Super Bowl Champions on a down year and will be back on track. The teams above can't hold our jock.

Yet another "everyone else is elite and we are crap" posts.

You'll have to excuse me..... In December of 1990 I was told I was going to land in Saudi Arabia and soon face 1M+ of Saddam's Iraqi soldiers.... "Elite Republican Guard".....

Schit didn't work out for them as expected.

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Our record against superior teams reflects and solidifies my logic ... Where is your proof ? I am usually the optimistic type but we're going to waste having a franchise hall of famers sweet prime years by lying and keep on telling ourselves were Elite ...

Jimmy is elite until Sherman or Talib or Revis gets a hold of him ... Then what ?

We're soft and easily intimidated on the road ( which ironically is when it counts )

You cannot dismiss my arguments as typical crap when this much evidence supports what I am saying ...

Cameron Jordan is the closest thing we have to a true elite player on either side of the ball ... Argue with that bubba

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ok the saints need to be able to play smash mouth football

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For instance ... Do you think we could've won in Green Bay or Carolina as the niners did ? Haha we've never done either with this current " elite " team we supposedly have ... That Green Bay loss sent us to San Fran

That carolina loss sent us to Seattle ... Where we ... You guessed it , got bullied around again in an embarrassing fashion

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Not to pick nits, but, DLP actually had a good game against San Fran. Even got his best grade of the year from PFF.

Strief did have troubles with SF but they were mostly in the running game, he did OK protecting Drew.

Brown stunk up the place. One of his worst of quite a few bad games. But he's gone now.

And to be fair, that's San Fran's game. They have an excellent front 7. Possibly the best in the league. Almost no one does well against them. Beating every team's strength during the entire season is a pretty high standard to hold the Saints to.

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Can we merge this with the basketball player-turned-HOF-wide-out thread?

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(lol) Sorry Utah, Drew may have a different thought on that statement...

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-conte...drew-brees.jpg

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How many championships do the Hawks have... oh thats right 0.

The way to play like the hawks: Dope up all your defensive players. Play PI all game long. Talk a lot of smack. Hope for mistakes by the other team. Be over-rated and not able to win on the road.

The Hawks will get destroyed as long as the weather is ok.
DEN by 25 pts.

We need to play Saint football. Our D is balling, but our O needs to turn all the yds into points and you do that by running the ball more effectively.

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Embarrassing fashion?!? I disagree. We played them to the last play of the game. We had 25 first downs to their 13. We had 409 yards of offense to their 277. And we put up 300 yards on the air against the "Legion of Doom". I'm not saying they didn't deserve the win. They did. They made the plays when they needed to, the Saints didn't. But, in my opinion, no way did we get "bullied around in an embarrassing fashion."

And also, in my opinion, we were just as physical as they were. Their receivers checked out of the game after the big hits early on. They had only 9 receptions for the entire game. Their D line did a number on our offensive line but ours did the same to them. Also, Terron Armstead was a monster. He dominated Chris Clemons and Red Bryant all game long. We rushed for over a hundred yards against them on 4.2 yards per carry, which is higher than their season average allowed.

There's not a doubt in my mind that had that game been played in New Orleans, the Saints would've won by two scores.

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LOL, OK, when he did mess up, he messed up big.