Who to cut (cap hits included)

Jamessr · 01-25-2014, 07:15 PM

Thomas, Moore and Sproles is who I'd keep.
I'd get something of value for Ingram, while some people think he's worth it.

|Mitch| · 01-25-2014, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull.

It's all about collapsing the pocket, which Jenkins and Bunkley both did very well

jeanpierre · 01-25-2014, 07:51 PM

Bring back Pierre Thomas (Current Rate), Lance Moore (Slight Adjusted Contract), Mark Ingram (Now that we're finally using him); Sproles, who's been one of my personal fav's, seems like he doesn't have the extra wheel since his injury and being he's 30+, we need to start to rotate younger players at that position...

Also bring back, Patrick Robinson (Finally Getting Some Coaching and then an injury); at the very least let 'em finish the contract and see if current defensive back coaches can get something there...

Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins Tandem is great - don't mess with it; and we have versatility where Tyrunn Walker or Akiem Hicks can slide over and help in a pinch...

ScottF · 01-25-2014, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

It's all about collapsing the pocket, which Jenkins and Bunkley both did very well

Originally Posted by Danno

Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull.

In the absence of stats, look at the comparables:
24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year
65 DT's had more tackles than BB
these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers

BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up

Crusader · 01-25-2014, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

In the absence of stats, look at the comparables:
24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year
65 DT's had more tackles than BB
these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers

BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up

Is that DTs or NTs? There is quite a big difference between being a 5 tech DT and a 0 or 1 tech NT.

Vrillon82 · 01-26-2014, 01:28 AM

only thing about Lance Moore and Meachem is they show up 4 games out of the season.

Kenny Stills gets a pass due to being a rookie.

PT and Sproles are deadly in the screen game, the screen game dont work unless they are decent in the run game which they havent been.

Their needs to be some fixes on the offense otherwise we will start seeing more games like we saw vs Panthers, Jets, and Seahawks.

jeanpierre · 01-26-2014, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

In the absence of stats, look at the comparables:
24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year
65 DT's had more tackles than BB
these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers

BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up

His name would come up simply because of Jenkins showing his ability to start and he costs less...

that said, it would be an incredibly risky chance to let an established 34 Nose Tackle geaux breaking up an affordable, cap friendly, effective rotation at the NT which is rare in today's NFL...

The rotations on the defensive line were the best we've had since the LaRoi Glover gang, maybe even the Dome Patrol days...

On defense, the big problem that has half a solution solved in Vaccaro is to get the complement to shore up the backstop and maybe a playmaking cornerback to pair with the solid pro Keenan Lewis...

But the bigger issue on defense is really at Linebacker where we showed we're most vulnerable when Vaccaro was healthy...

halloween 65 · 01-26-2014, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

His name would come up simply because of Jenkins showing his ability to start and he costs less...

that said, it would be an incredibly risky chance to let an established 34 Nose Tackle geaux breaking up an affordable, cap friendly, effective rotation at the NT which is rare in today's NFL...

The rotations on the defensive line were the best we've had since the LaRoi Glover gang, maybe even the Dome Patrol days...

On defense, the big problem that has half a solution solved in Vaccaro is to get the complement to shore up the backstop and maybe a playmaking cornerback to pair with the solid pro Keenan Lewis...

But the bigger issue on defense is really at Linebacker where we showed we're most vulnerable when Vaccaro was healthy...

JP, If you look at it like I'm looking at it we need another bad a$$ DT up front, one that not only plays the nose in a 3-4 but can play all the front line, keep in mind 6 linemen in a 3-4 that is why I want Hageman in the 1st. As of now we have 5 really good linemen add Hagemen thats 6 and a rookie at that to bring along with Jenkins, Jordon, Hicks and Walker. I would not let Bunkley go this year either. About the lb.'s I wanted to pull the trigger on Van Noy in the 2nd but we need more help on the O line, I did mock this guy Andrew Jackson ILB because we need a thug type in the middle and if him and Rufus could be paired together in the middle over time I do't think we would have to ever worry about the run. Basically in a nut-shell what I would like to see out of our front 7 is to go thug type just like the Dome Patrol was. The pieces are almost there.

TheOak · 01-26-2014, 10:14 AM

To Showtime5: Danno asked a question and gave a list to choose from. From that you went off like someone was about to steal your wobie, threw out insulting remarks, and to stick with your assumption theme made a few emotional inaccurate claims, and questioned his fandom.

On a scale from 1 to invade Russia in the Winter, how well thought out are your replies?

alleycat_126 · 01-26-2014, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Two fumbles in 3 years is a fumbling issue?

Our backs rarely if ever put the ball on the turf, and that is all of them... including Mark.... I saw Darren Sproles fumble this season in a game that was over even before he got the carry, im not sure, it might have been his first fumble as a Saint....... and he is over on the sideline berating himself worse than any coach could have...... <<< That is the standard we set. if they hold themselves to that type of standard, a standard that they themselves set...... then yes, it is an issue.....

01-25-2014, 07:15 PM	#51
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Thomas, Moore and Sproles is who I'd keep. I'd get something of value for Ingram, while some people think he's worth it. MarchingOn likes this.

01-25-2014, 07:28 PM	#52
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull. It's all about collapsing the pocket, which Jenkins and Bunkley both did very well Rugby Saint II and the-commish like this.

01-25-2014, 07:51 PM	#53
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Bring back Pierre Thomas (Current Rate), Lance Moore (Slight Adjusted Contract), Mark Ingram (Now that we're finally using him); Sproles, who's been one of my personal fav's, seems like he doesn't have the extra wheel since his injury and being he's 30+, we need to start to rotate younger players at that position... Also bring back, Patrick Robinson (Finally Getting Some Coaching and then an injury); at the very least let 'em finish the contract and see if current defensive back coaches can get something there... Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins Tandem is great - don't mess with it; and we have versatility where Tyrunn Walker or Akiem Hicks can slide over and help in a pinch...
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01-25-2014, 08:19 PM	#54
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| It's all about collapsing the pocket, which Jenkins and Bunkley both did very well Originally Posted by Danno Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull. In the absence of stats, look at the comparables: 24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year 65 DT's had more tackles than BB these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up

01-25-2014, 08:50 PM	#55
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by ScottF In the absence of stats, look at the comparables: 24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year 65 DT's had more tackles than BB these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up Is that DTs or NTs? There is quite a big difference between being a 5 tech DT and a 0 or 1 tech NT. the-commish and saintsfan403 like this.

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01-26-2014, 01:28 AM	#56
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) only thing about Lance Moore and Meachem is they show up 4 games out of the season. Kenny Stills gets a pass due to being a rookie. PT and Sproles are deadly in the screen game, the screen game dont work unless they are decent in the run game which they havent been. Their needs to be some fixes on the offense otherwise we will start seeing more games like we saw vs Panthers, Jets, and Seahawks.
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01-26-2014, 01:43 AM	#57
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by ScottF In the absence of stats, look at the comparables: 24 DT's had over 40 tackles last year 65 DT's had more tackles than BB these guys are pressuring the pocket AND coming up with the numbers BB is the 16th highest paid DT- as we look at every nickel, his name is going to come up His name would come up simply because of Jenkins showing his ability to start and he costs less... that said, it would be an incredibly risky chance to let an established 34 Nose Tackle geaux breaking up an affordable, cap friendly, effective rotation at the NT which is rare in today's NFL... The rotations on the defensive line were the best we've had since the LaRoi Glover gang, maybe even the Dome Patrol days... On defense, the big problem that has half a solution solved in Vaccaro is to get the complement to shore up the backstop and maybe a playmaking cornerback to pair with the solid pro Keenan Lewis... But the bigger issue on defense is really at Linebacker where we showed we're most vulnerable when Vaccaro was healthy... MarchingOn likes this.
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01-26-2014, 08:54 AM	#58
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by jeanpierre His name would come up simply because of Jenkins showing his ability to start and he costs less... that said, it would be an incredibly risky chance to let an established 34 Nose Tackle geaux breaking up an affordable, cap friendly, effective rotation at the NT which is rare in today's NFL... The rotations on the defensive line were the best we've had since the LaRoi Glover gang, maybe even the Dome Patrol days... On defense, the big problem that has half a solution solved in Vaccaro is to get the complement to shore up the backstop and maybe a playmaking cornerback to pair with the solid pro Keenan Lewis... But the bigger issue on defense is really at Linebacker where we showed we're most vulnerable when Vaccaro was healthy... JP, If you look at it like I'm looking at it we need another bad a$$ DT up front, one that not only plays the nose in a 3-4 but can play all the front line, keep in mind 6 linemen in a 3-4 that is why I want Hageman in the 1st. As of now we have 5 really good linemen add Hagemen thats 6 and a rookie at that to bring along with Jenkins, Jordon, Hicks and Walker. I would not let Bunkley go this year either. About the lb.'s I wanted to pull the trigger on Van Noy in the 2nd but we need more help on the O line, I did mock this guy Andrew Jackson ILB because we need a thug type in the middle and if him and Rufus could be paired together in the middle over time I do't think we would have to ever worry about the run. Basically in a nut-shell what I would like to see out of our front 7 is to go thug type just like the Dome Patrol was. The pieces are almost there.

01-26-2014, 10:14 AM	#59
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,036	Who to cut (cap hits included) To Showtime5: Danno asked a question and gave a list to choose from. From that you went off like someone was about to steal your wobie, threw out insulting remarks, and to stick with your assumption theme made a few emotional inaccurate claims, and questioned his fandom. On a scale from 1 to invade Russia in the Winter, how well thought out are your replies? Danno, mleg1972 and CoreyO like this.
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01-26-2014, 10:39 AM	#60
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Two fumbles in 3 years is a fumbling issue? Our backs rarely if ever put the ball on the turf, and that is all of them... including Mark.... I saw Darren Sproles fumble this season in a game that was over even before he got the carry, im not sure, it might have been his first fumble as a Saint....... and he is over on the sideline berating himself worse than any coach could have...... <<< That is the standard we set. if they hold themselves to that type of standard, a standard that they themselves set...... then yes, it is an issue.....

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