Brees: Colston has a bunch of good years left

RailBoss · 01-28-2014, 01:21 AM

Drew was rushed like mad this year at times it appeared that he was hearing footsteps. In my opinion Colston is most effective on the long routes. How many times do to the pressure did Colston check back this season. Against better Defenses our O Line struggles Graham suffered the same fate.

SaintsBro · 01-28-2014, 02:46 AM

When I hear stuff like this, I get a little worried sometimes that Brees in particular has a bit of the ole "keeping the ole gang together" syndrome....no question he is passionate about his teammates, and loves these veteran guys like Sproles, Colston, Moore, Meachem, PT, etc. But will he still be so connected to them in friendship and so forth, that he ends up influencing the decision making about the offense going forward....As fans, everybody loves the idea of keeping the band together, let's just keep going and going and going and it will always be just like old times and we'll GET ALL THOSE GUYS ANOTHER LOMBARDI. But 2009 was a long time ago now, and when you look at these young, incredibly fast teams that were in the playoffs this past year, and how great the youth and speed movement was for our defense, our offense is suddenly looking incredibly long in the tooth lately.

I think Colston could be a part of that offense going foward, but everything needs to be on the table, everything needs to be looked at carefully. Because time marches on.

Jack Vegas · 01-28-2014, 03:44 AM

I don't believe Colston is anywhere close to done. I do think his foot/knee/ankle problems slowed him down this year, in combination with Brees locking on to Graham a lot means his numbers are down.

But even with the ball going to other guys in a spread-it-out offense and multiple nagging injuries he still managed well over 900 yards in an "off" year. I do strongly believe if we see healthy Colston in 2014 he will be around the 1100-1200 yards and 80-90 catches mark again.

pumpkindriver · 01-28-2014, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I will make my business case for trading Colston.

The perception that I have seen everywhere is that he still has a few years left in the tank. Great!

That is trade value...

Why do you want to trade Colston while most people still think he has a few years? Because his contract is as quiet as he is, but is also as lethal.

Past season 4.5M cap hit <- he is worth that
2014 8.3M Cap hit <-- I do not think he is worth this or the rest.
2015 9.7M Cap hit
2016 10.5M Cap hit

If you do not trade him now, while you can sell his value, it isnt till 2015 that he isnt upside down in dead money.

Still not convinced? What if i told you that in 2014 for 9M you could have Stevie Johnson, Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, 2x Demaryius Thomas, 2x Crabtrees, 3x Dez Bryants...

Are you still keeping Colston?

I would trade him for draft picks and use the cap space to find a FA WR worth around 7m, giving us another 2m to play wit for Graham... LT, CB, etc...

I do see your point and I tend to agree with it. Maybe there will be some sort of restructuring so that we can keep him w/o the cap hits. Hes definitely worth keeping, but we do need help in other areas so trading him isn't bad either, depending on what we can get for him.

Danno · 01-28-2014, 11:56 AM

His cap hits...
2013 4,500,000
2014 8,300,000
2015 9,700,000
2016 10,500,000

TheOak · 01-28-2014, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by pumpkindriver

I do see your point and I tend to agree with it. Maybe there will be some sort of restructuring so that we can keep him w/o the cap hits. Hes definitely worth keeping, but we do need help in other areas so trading him isn't bad either, depending on what we can get for him.

As Dannno pointed out in another thread I wasn't thinking about bonus money staying with the team.

So while my example failed miserably my argument stands. Nearly all players have one season in their career where their perceived ability and their actual ability is on the decline. If you miss that season you miss the opportunity to get as much value out if a trade as possible.

We keep hanging onto players till the tank is empty and don't get anything but an empty spot in return.

The Dude · 01-28-2014, 01:13 PM

Our whole receiving corps looked shifty this year. I think it has more to do with our line not giving Breese enough time to be as accurate as he usually is. Goes to show you how much better Breese makes our receivers look when he is on.
I hope his accuracy problems were a result of his lines poor play and not a sign that he is slipping. Payton and Brady are older and still going strong but they have not been asked to throw as much as Brees has. Improving our running game is starting to become a top priority if they want to prolong Brees career.

TheOak · 01-28-2014, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Our whole receiving corps looked shifty this year. I think it has more to do with our line not giving Breese enough time to be as accurate as he usually is. Goes to show you how much better Breese makes our receivers look when he is on.
I hope his accuracy problems were a result of his lines poor play and not a sign that he is slipping. Payton and Brady are older and still going strong but they have not been asked to throw as much as Brees has. Improving our running game is starting to become a top priority if they want to prolong Brees career.

While it feels that way I averaged three years worth of attempts for all three and this is just regular season.

Ave per/year
Brees 659
Manning 640
Brady 625

Total Throws on arm in games.
Brees - 6799
Manning - 8452
Brady - 6586

The difference between them all is 1-2 passes per game.

Danno · 01-28-2014, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

DONT GET RID OF ANYONE! ! ! the only position we need to work on is our off-line! rcvrs are good, rb's are good, qb is good (we do need to start thinking about a replacement for him tho), but we're good in all other positions except our off-line. if we pass protect better and run block better in 2014 with the defense coming back healthy and strong i feel we have another shot at getting to the super bowl. now money is the issue so i know someone will have to go but boy if it wasnt bring back everyone!

Obviously if we could bring back everyone that would be great. But I doubt Dar Commissar Goodell will allow us to play at 30 million over the cap.

We absolutely without question must get rid of several players. Deciding whom is the hard part.

TheOak · 01-28-2014, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

eventhough the difference maybe 1-2 passes per game for these three elite qb's the only one in the superbowl is the one that has had a better running game throughout the playoffs. moreno doesnt get enough credit! as i said before and will keep saying without a stout running game forget the super bowl, forget the playoffs, hell forget having a good regular season! READ MY BLOG "BACK TO THE BASICS"

No.

01-28-2014, 01:21 AM	#11
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Brees: Colston has a bunch of good years left Drew was rushed like mad this year at times it appeared that he was hearing footsteps. In my opinion Colston is most effective on the long routes. How many times do to the pressure did Colston check back this season. Against better Defenses our O Line struggles Graham suffered the same fate.

01-28-2014, 02:46 AM	#12
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brees: Colston has a bunch of good years left When I hear stuff like this, I get a little worried sometimes that Brees in particular has a bit of the ole "keeping the ole gang together" syndrome....no question he is passionate about his teammates, and loves these veteran guys like Sproles, Colston, Moore, Meachem, PT, etc. But will he still be so connected to them in friendship and so forth, that he ends up influencing the decision making about the offense going forward....As fans, everybody loves the idea of keeping the band together, let's just keep going and going and going and it will always be just like old times and we'll GET ALL THOSE GUYS ANOTHER LOMBARDI. But 2009 was a long time ago now, and when you look at these young, incredibly fast teams that were in the playoffs this past year, and how great the youth and speed movement was for our defense, our offense is suddenly looking incredibly long in the tooth lately. I think Colston could be a part of that offense going foward, but everything needs to be on the table, everything needs to be looked at carefully. Because time marches on.

01-28-2014, 03:44 AM	#13
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Brees: Colston has a bunch of good years left I don't believe Colston is anywhere close to done. I do think his foot/knee/ankle problems slowed him down this year, in combination with Brees locking on to Graham a lot means his numbers are down. But even with the ball going to other guys in a spread-it-out offense and multiple nagging injuries he still managed well over 900 yards in an "off" year. I do strongly believe if we see healthy Colston in 2014 he will be around the 1100-1200 yards and 80-90 catches mark again.
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01-28-2014, 11:48 AM	#14
pumpkindriver 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Killeen, Tx. Posts: 932	Re: Brees: Colston has a bunch of good years left Originally Posted by TheOak I will make my business case for trading Colston. The perception that I have seen everywhere is that he still has a few years left in the tank. Great! That is trade value... Why do you want to trade Colston while most people still think he has a few years? Because his contract is as quiet as he is, but is also as lethal. Past season 4.5M cap hit <- he is worth that 2014 8.3M Cap hit <-- I do not think he is worth this or the rest. 2015 9.7M Cap hit 2016 10.5M Cap hit If you do not trade him now, while you can sell his value, it isnt till 2015 that he isnt upside down in dead money. Still not convinced? What if i told you that in 2014 for 9M you could have Stevie Johnson, Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, 2x Demaryius Thomas, 2x Crabtrees, 3x Dez Bryants... Are you still keeping Colston? I would trade him for draft picks and use the cap space to find a FA WR worth around 7m, giving us another 2m to play wit for Graham... LT, CB, etc... I do see your point and I tend to agree with it. Maybe there will be some sort of restructuring so that we can keep him w/o the cap hits. Hes definitely worth keeping, but we do need help in other areas so trading him isn't bad either, depending on what we can get for him.

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01-28-2014, 11:56 AM	#16
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Brees: Colston has a bunch of good years left Originally Posted by pumpkindriver I do see your point and I tend to agree with it. Maybe there will be some sort of restructuring so that we can keep him w/o the cap hits. Hes definitely worth keeping, but we do need help in other areas so trading him isn't bad either, depending on what we can get for him. As Dannno pointed out in another thread I wasn't thinking about bonus money staying with the team. So while my example failed miserably my argument stands. Nearly all players have one season in their career where their perceived ability and their actual ability is on the decline. If you miss that season you miss the opportunity to get as much value out if a trade as possible. We keep hanging onto players till the tank is empty and don't get anything but an empty spot in return. MarchingOn likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Brees: Colston has a bunch of good years left Our whole receiving corps looked shifty this year. I think it has more to do with our line not giving Breese enough time to be as accurate as he usually is. Goes to show you how much better Breese makes our receivers look when he is on. I hope his accuracy problems were a result of his lines poor play and not a sign that he is slipping. Payton and Brady are older and still going strong but they have not been asked to throw as much as Brees has. Improving our running game is starting to become a top priority if they want to prolong Brees career.
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01-28-2014, 02:19 PM	#18
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Brees: Colston has a bunch of good years left Originally Posted by The Dude Our whole receiving corps looked shifty this year. I think it has more to do with our line not giving Breese enough time to be as accurate as he usually is. Goes to show you how much better Breese makes our receivers look when he is on. I hope his accuracy problems were a result of his lines poor play and not a sign that he is slipping. Payton and Brady are older and still going strong but they have not been asked to throw as much as Brees has. Improving our running game is starting to become a top priority if they want to prolong Brees career. While it feels that way I averaged three years worth of attempts for all three and this is just regular season. Ave per/year Brees 659 Manning 640 Brady 625 Total Throws on arm in games. Brees - 6799 Manning - 8452 Brady - 6586 The difference between them all is 1-2 passes per game.

01-28-2014, 02:42 PM	#19
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Brees: Colston has a bunch of good years left Originally Posted by teddybarexxx DONT GET RID OF ANYONE! ! ! the only position we need to work on is our off-line! rcvrs are good, rb's are good, qb is good (we do need to start thinking about a replacement for him tho), but we're good in all other positions except our off-line. if we pass protect better and run block better in 2014 with the defense coming back healthy and strong i feel we have another shot at getting to the super bowl. now money is the issue so i know someone will have to go but boy if it wasnt bring back everyone! Obviously if we could bring back everyone that would be great. But I doubt Dar Commissar Goodell will allow us to play at 30 million over the cap. We absolutely without question must get rid of several players. Deciding whom is the hard part.

01-28-2014, 05:06 PM	#20
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Brees: Colston has a bunch of good years left Originally Posted by teddybarexxx eventhough the difference maybe 1-2 passes per game for these three elite qb's the only one in the superbowl is the one that has had a better running game throughout the playoffs. moreno doesnt get enough credit! as i said before and will keep saying without a stout running game forget the super bowl, forget the playoffs, hell forget having a good regular season! READ MY BLOG "BACK TO THE BASICS" No.

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