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at times he need a heck of a lot more. sorry i am an old timer and will always go down fighting when comes to archie and few other saints back then

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I lived through the early days and when I see Archie on TV it always amazes me that he can walk straight. Watching Archie in those days was almost like watching Rocky getting beat up. To this day I will always support his kids as long as they are not playing against us. Oh and I almost punched out a grocery bagger back in New Jersey. Was wearing an old worn out Saints shirt and this dude proceeded to put a bag over his head and the fight was on. The generation of fans who came in around Mora's time probably could never believe how bleak things were early on.

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 576139)

That is what I keep hearing and you can take it as you wish but I just do not see it. I see a lot of hypocrisy and misunderstanding when it comes to Archie and when compared to Drew coming from a passer stand point.

Fine, Archie got sacked a lot.

He didn't have the receivers.
He didn't pass as much and when he did he was an interception machine.

Completion % as a Saint
Archie 55.4
Drew 67.3

Interception %
Archie 4.7%
Drew 2.5%

If Archie has an offensive line he would have passed more and thrown more INTs.

Archie compared to Wilson.. Wilson was sacked more this season.
Archie Manning sack 9.3% INT% 4.7
Russell Wilson (2013) sack 9.8% INT 2.2%

If that doesn't clearly show what i am saying maybe this will.

Archie Manning as a Saint vs Oiler

Sack %
Saints 9.3%
Oilers 15.1%

INT%
Saints 4.7%
Oilers 6.6%

Archie got worse after he left the oh so horrible New Orleans Saints to go go the Houston Oilers... the Saints got better.

Minnesota before Manning 8-8, with Manning 3-13, after Manning 7-9
Houston Oilers before Manning 7-9, with Manning 1-8, after Manning 3-13

New Orleans Saints 1980/1981 with Manning 4-23
New Orleans Saints 1982/1983 with Stabler 11-11

I know i am committing a mortal and nonvenial sin but it was what it was.

How would any QB from any other team in that era have done playing for the Saints under the same exact conditions that Manning had to play under?

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 576158)

I hunted with Hokie when I was 14.... I am very familiar with the Saints of the early 80s. ;)

If you read my earlier post, I made a point that all the comments about all he needed was an offensive line were not so accurate.

What does "hunting with Hokie" have to do with watching the actual games and actually witnessing what was happening every week?!?

If it's ever available, geaux back and watch the games...

And it was a much different game then; comparing an aged, sick Archie finishing unceremoniously on the Oilers and Vikings with stats when he was younger and less "bruised" is illogical...

Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 576139)

Minnesota before Manning 8-8, with Manning 3-13, after Manning 7-9
Houston Oilers before Manning 7-9, with Manning 1-8, after Manning 3-13

New Orleans Saints 1980/1981 with Manning 4-23
New Orleans Saints 1982/1983 with Stabler 11-11

On the other hand...

1970 Billy Kilmer with the Saints 2-9
1971 Billy Kilmer with the Redskins 8-4-1

maybe it was the Saints

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go back and look at the roster in houston before and when manning arrived there. the city not just the fans was in an up roar over the manning trade. not that he got traded but traded to a team that was falling apart and heading south instead of a contender. it was unjust after all he did for the city and the team. that like trading Drew to the Jags. total disrespect.

MPLS out doors along with all the stadiums except detroit did little wonders for him. he was a shell of himself after the beating he took in houston and new orleans, kinda the same story line with pistol pete. by the time he got his shot at a ring he was a shell of his former self.

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Before there was Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, there was John Mecom Jr, and unfortunately it was at his mercy that Archie was ultimately tied. I don't think it's fair to compare any other current or past QB to him. He had NOTHING for most of the time here except Muncie, Galbraeth and Brenner. The ONLY worthy O-lineman even worth mentioning was Conrad Dobler and he was torwards the end of his career. Maybe Stan Brock but I can't remember if Archie was already gone by then. Put in a crappy defense to boot then you have Archie always having to play catch up. I'm not saying he would've been better than Drew or any of his sons, but I'm saying that he would've had significantly more success if he would've been surrounded by more talent.

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Indeed ! Listening to Drew talk about how much support Archie offered him was amazing. Archie bled Black & Gold literally!!

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Muncie lmao the man with 1000 reasons not to make it to the airport to fly with the team. what a waste of talent

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Understand Business can be a cold-blooded, jealous mistress...

And I don't like to say this idly...

But for me, Archie Manning being traded was personal, and I've hated Bum Phillips every since then...