Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed
 

Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed
 

I seem to have upset the knitting party.

JP - If you want me to explain it to you in detail I can, but Hagen quickly understood what I was alluding to, sorry if you cant get your head wrapped around it. As you said, you take it all personally. For you it is not how they played but what they did. Its not personal for me.

Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed
 

So which is it, because I see two distinct stances on the same subject.

Drew Brees's interceptions are his fault.

Archie Mannings's interceptions are the fault of the team.

Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed
 

Oak this might help but in the Manning years it was like junk time most of the time. Archie was a extreamly well liked, very talented and really tough QB. back in the old days, really talent wise comparable to Bradshaw, Stauback and other top tier QB.'s in that era. We were fortunate as Saints fans to have any glimmer of hope. Manning was our hope, the Saints organization was his downfall. And yes when any QB. throws an int, it's their fault but in Archies defense not only would Brees look like a poster child of a Vicidin commercial his career would be over. Even as a kid watching the game on a T.V. that had a box on it that you would turn the knob to clear the channel up, or sent outside on the roof of the house to adjust the antenna how many more brutal hits Archie could take before he wouldn't get up. He got up, that was hope. Winning 1 maybe 2 games a year with Manning give all of us hope. In Archies case stats will always be just that, stats, it will never tell the true story of a man that played his heart out each and every game.

Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed
 

I understand and fully agree on what Archie Manning was to New Orleans, the Saints, and its fans. He was tough as **** and took a beating week in and week out. I have not disagreed with any of that. It doesn't change how he preformed as a passer though.

How do you view it? Does the team make the QB better or does the QB make the team better? As I see it the great QBs make the team better, how many times has it been said by multitudes of members here that we simply can not win if Drew Bree's keeps throwing interceptions? Well Manning threw more interceptions, I know the team was abysmal but Archie's turnovers did nothing to help the situation.

Members say you cant speak honestly about Drew Brees because some people only view him through rose colored glasses.. Well add Archie Manning to the list.:bng:

Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed
 

...a lot.

Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed
 

I think you have it backwards.

You have to put the time frame into perspective. Archie threw more interceptions than Drew as a percentage. Most quarterbacks then threw more interceptions as a percentage than quarterbacks now. The rules were different. The rules then allowed defensive backs to throw receivers to the ground or push them out of the way. There was no defensive holding then. It was easier to get interceptions.

Archie threw LESS interceptions than the NFL average for most of his career. While Archie was playing, the Saints were only in the top 10 in interceptions thrown once. In 1975 the Saints threw 24 interceptions, which put us 7th in the league out of 26 teams. That was the worst year.

Archie's turnover rate, in spite of the rest of the team, helped the Saints.

Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed
 

Ill buy the interceptions vs era. I don't have it backwards that a QB makes the team better.

Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed
 

Comparing QB's from different eras is like comparing race cars from different eras. It is not as apples to apples as it appears. Face it, that was THEN this is NOW! I live in the Now.

Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed