47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed

TheOak · 01-29-2014, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by stickman

Do you have the stat for how many coaches Archie played under?

I don't think it's fair to look at the numbers at the end of his career, but, I do agree that Saints fans seem to remember him maybe a little too fondly. I think it's because he had so much potential and it was wasted on the mess that was the Saints franchise.

He played for 7 in NO.

I do not throw the W/L record on him. His passing stats are all on him though.

Sam Bradford gets a new coach every 2 years LOL his INT% is 2.2... thats lower than Brees or Manning.

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Completely anecdotal...

Roger Staubauch once said Archie Manning was the best quarterback in the league when he was playing but nobody would ever know because of the team he as on.

So he went to two more teams and did equally as bad. The same thing could be said for a lot of QBs. There are plenty of QBs in the league that achieved greatness because the surrounding team was good and not the QB.

Joe Namath is a prime example.

Arguably you could put any QB on a good team and see success.

hagan714 · 01-29-2014, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

So he went to two more teams and did equally as bad. The same thing could be said for a lot of QBs. There are plenty of QBs in the league that achieved greatness because the surrounding team was good and not the QB.

Joe Namath is a prime example.

Arguably you could put any QB on a good team and see success.

he went to oilers first. for the love of god all there players left town when BUM came to new orleans. he went back to the bottom of the barrel there

when he got traded to minnesota was the best team he could have played for and had a shot. but his knees were shot and the rest of him so banged up he just should have retired.

as for the passing stats the team around him has everything to with it.

i really do not think you have a clue as to how bad the teams were most of the time when archie played

TheOak · 01-29-2014, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

he went to oilers first. for the love of god all there players left town when BUM came to new orleans. he went back to the bottom of the barrel there

when he got traded to minnesota was the best team he could have played for and had a shot. but his knees were shot and the rest of him so banged up he just should have retired.

as for the passing stats the team around him has everything to with it.

i really do not think you have a clue as to how bad the teams were most of the time when archie played

I hunted with Hokie when I was 14.... I am very familiar with the Saints of the early 80s.

If you read my earlier post, I made a point that all the comments about all he needed was an offensive line were not so accurate.

Utah_Saint · 01-29-2014, 10:32 AM

Completely anecdotal...

Roger Staubauch once said Archie Manning was the best quarterback in the league when he was playing but nobody would ever know because of the team he as on.

hagan714 · 01-29-2014, 11:48 AM

at times he need a heck of a lot more. sorry i am an old timer and will always go down fighting when comes to archie and few other saints back then

RailBoss · 01-29-2014, 06:31 PM

I lived through the early days and when I see Archie on TV it always amazes me that he can walk straight. Watching Archie in those days was almost like watching Rocky getting beat up. To this day I will always support his kids as long as they are not playing against us. Oh and I almost punched out a grocery bagger back in New Jersey. Was wearing an old worn out Saints shirt and this dude proceeded to put a bag over his head and the fight was on. The generation of fans who came in around Mora's time probably could never believe how bleak things were early on.

hagan714 · 01-29-2014, 08:14 PM

go back and look at the roster in houston before and when manning arrived there. the city not just the fans was in an up roar over the manning trade. not that he got traded but traded to a team that was falling apart and heading south instead of a contender. it was unjust after all he did for the city and the team. that like trading Drew to the Jags. total disrespect.

MPLS out doors along with all the stadiums except detroit did little wonders for him. he was a shell of himself after the beating he took in houston and new orleans, kinda the same story line with pistol pete. by the time he got his shot at a ring he was a shell of his former self.

44Champs · 01-29-2014, 08:51 PM

Before there was Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, there was John Mecom Jr, and unfortunately it was at his mercy that Archie was ultimately tied. I don't think it's fair to compare any other current or past QB to him. He had NOTHING for most of the time here except Muncie, Galbraeth and Brenner. The ONLY worthy O-lineman even worth mentioning was Conrad Dobler and he was torwards the end of his career. Maybe Stan Brock but I can't remember if Archie was already gone by then. Put in a crappy defense to boot then you have Archie always having to play catch up. I'm not saying he would've been better than Drew or any of his sons, but I'm saying that he would've had significantly more success if he would've been surrounded by more talent.

RailBoss · 01-30-2014, 01:01 AM

Indeed ! Listening to Drew talk about how much support Archie offered him was amazing. Archie bled Black & Gold literally!!

Utah_Saint · 01-30-2014, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by RailBoss

Archie bled Black & Gold...

...a lot.

01-29-2014, 11:27 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed Originally Posted by stickman Do you have the stat for how many coaches Archie played under? I don't think it's fair to look at the numbers at the end of his career, but, I do agree that Saints fans seem to remember him maybe a little too fondly. I think it's because he had so much potential and it was wasted on the mess that was the Saints franchise. He played for 7 in NO. I do not throw the W/L record on him. His passing stats are all on him though. Sam Bradford gets a new coach every 2 years LOL his INT% is 2.2... thats lower than Brees or Manning. Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Completely anecdotal... Roger Staubauch once said Archie Manning was the best quarterback in the league when he was playing but nobody would ever know because of the team he as on. So he went to two more teams and did equally as bad. The same thing could be said for a lot of QBs. There are plenty of QBs in the league that achieved greatness because the surrounding team was good and not the QB. Joe Namath is a prime example. Arguably you could put any QB on a good team and see success.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

01-29-2014, 11:34 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed Originally Posted by TheOak So he went to two more teams and did equally as bad. The same thing could be said for a lot of QBs. There are plenty of QBs in the league that achieved greatness because the surrounding team was good and not the QB. Joe Namath is a prime example. Arguably you could put any QB on a good team and see success. he went to oilers first. for the love of god all there players left town when BUM came to new orleans. he went back to the bottom of the barrel there when he got traded to minnesota was the best team he could have played for and had a shot. but his knees were shot and the rest of him so banged up he just should have retired. as for the passing stats the team around him has everything to with it. i really do not think you have a clue as to how bad the teams were most of the time when archie played Boutte and jeanpierre like this.
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01-29-2014, 11:42 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed Originally Posted by hagan714 he went to oilers first. for the love of god all there players left town when BUM came to new orleans. he went back to the bottom of the barrel there when he got traded to minnesota was the best team he could have played for and had a shot. but his knees were shot and the rest of him so banged up he just should have retired. as for the passing stats the team around him has everything to with it. i really do not think you have a clue as to how bad the teams were most of the time when archie played I hunted with Hokie when I was 14.... I am very familiar with the Saints of the early 80s. If you read my earlier post, I made a point that all the comments about all he needed was an offensive line were not so accurate. hagan714 likes this.

01-29-2014, 10:32 AM	#4
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed Completely anecdotal... Roger Staubauch once said Archie Manning was the best quarterback in the league when he was playing but nobody would ever know because of the team he as on. hagan714 and jeanpierre like this.

01-29-2014, 11:48 AM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed at times he need a heck of a lot more. sorry i am an old timer and will always go down fighting when comes to archie and few other saints back then RailBoss, jeanpierre, WhoDat!656 and 1 others like this.

01-29-2014, 06:31 PM	#6
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed I lived through the early days and when I see Archie on TV it always amazes me that he can walk straight. Watching Archie in those days was almost like watching Rocky getting beat up. To this day I will always support his kids as long as they are not playing against us. Oh and I almost punched out a grocery bagger back in New Jersey. Was wearing an old worn out Saints shirt and this dude proceeded to put a bag over his head and the fight was on. The generation of fans who came in around Mora's time probably could never believe how bleak things were early on. jeanpierre and Rickh like this.

01-29-2014, 08:14 PM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed go back and look at the roster in houston before and when manning arrived there. the city not just the fans was in an up roar over the manning trade. not that he got traded but traded to a team that was falling apart and heading south instead of a contender. it was unjust after all he did for the city and the team. that like trading Drew to the Jags. total disrespect. MPLS out doors along with all the stadiums except detroit did little wonders for him. he was a shell of himself after the beating he took in houston and new orleans, kinda the same story line with pistol pete. by the time he got his shot at a ring he was a shell of his former self. jeanpierre likes this.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

01-29-2014, 08:51 PM	#8
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed Before there was Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, there was John Mecom Jr, and unfortunately it was at his mercy that Archie was ultimately tied. I don't think it's fair to compare any other current or past QB to him. He had NOTHING for most of the time here except Muncie, Galbraeth and Brenner. The ONLY worthy O-lineman even worth mentioning was Conrad Dobler and he was torwards the end of his career. Maybe Stan Brock but I can't remember if Archie was already gone by then. Put in a crappy defense to boot then you have Archie always having to play catch up. I'm not saying he would've been better than Drew or any of his sons, but I'm saying that he would've had significantly more success if he would've been surrounded by more talent. hagan714 and jeanpierre like this.
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01-30-2014, 01:01 AM	#9
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed Indeed ! Listening to Drew talk about how much support Archie offered him was amazing. Archie bled Black & Gold literally!! hagan714 and jeanpierre like this.

01-30-2014, 08:44 AM	#10
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: 47 years ago today, the first New Orleans Saint was signed Originally Posted by RailBoss Archie bled Black & Gold... ...a lot.

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