Should Drew Play for Less $$ ?

hagan714 · 02-03-2014, 03:42 AM

oh the pains of a 100 million dollar QB lmao

one more year then drew will step to plate and do the team thing.

* copy and paste *

hagan714 · 02-03-2014, 03:44 AM

oh the pains of a 100 million dollar QB lmao

one more year then drew will step to plate and do the team thing.

* copy and paste *

I say take the money and run till you can restruture so it does not hurt the team. feed the kids, take your be

oh the pains of a 100 million dollar QB lmao

one more year then drew will step to plate and do the team thing.

take the money and run
take your beautiful wife to bed
make more kids
enjoy the pay day

halloween 65 · 02-03-2014, 09:25 AM

Every contract should have incentives for play. Reach this get x amount, complete this get x, would you pay 100 million to 1 person on a bad team, I wouldn't, it limits things immediatly. Going rate is going rate what else do you do.

alleycat_126 · 02-03-2014, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

I'm not saying he should... But if he was willing to give money back then i'd have to raise my respect meter to fit him in there.

So restructuring raises your respect level but

Immersing yourself into the culture and climate of a city....
Building a brand that will be the standard for years to come
Bringing them success, and a Super Bowl ring...
None of these things constitute as respect earners?

BTW........ Either way this goes he's not giving anything back, taking upfront money and getting off the cap is further delaying the fact that we have to pay for what we got from him which was and is over exceeding expectations!!!!

alleycat_126 · 02-03-2014, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

How many QB's have played in a S.B. since Drew? (8)

How many QB's have WON a S.B. since Drew? (4)

He aint all that.

Alaska

Alaska.... Russell Wison didn't win this game, he just didn't lose it.... As evidence by the 219 yards, 2 tds, and no ints game he gives them while they hand the MVP to MIKE SMITH??? Check these factors maybe they will bring you back to this planet..., turnover ratio..., rushing attempts ( just who had more attempts) red zone defense..... Third down conversion... If you check every one of those I think you'll find that the running qb didn't do anything more than the cerebral qb did....... Calm down....lol

TheOak · 02-03-2014, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Every contract should have incentives for play. Reach this get x amount, complete this get x, would you pay 100 million to 1 person on a bad team, I wouldn't, it limits things immediatly. Going rate is going rate what else do you do.

So then if you are not paying 100m to grab a difference makes to take your team out of the ashes how are you going to get him there?

While putting performance bonuses on play is fine in theory in practice it drives the wrong behaviors for a few reasons.

1. A coach can kill someones bonus just by not playing him to save cap space.
2. It will cause players to go public if they feel like they missed their bonus because of a bad officiating call or someone else got more playing time.
3. Owners will pressure coaches to keep the cap down intentionally.

TheOak · 02-03-2014, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

this is where i have a problem when people say what you just said. its a difference to be earning money that is probably taking you paycheck to paycheck versus money that may effect whether you get another porshe, or vacation home in the aspens. i'm like the person that stated no one should be earning 20 mil a year and feel he shouldnt take a cut to better a team chances of winning. hell he got more than enough money! so i vote if he cares more about winning than getting paid he should take a pay cut so it increases the chances of the saints winning this year (2014-15)

That is your view which is based on where you are financially.

Its the difference between someone entering a career path that can end in 5 years and crippled having enough money to not have to flip burgers at Wendys.

You assume what people with 20m would do with it. Show any evidence at all that Drew Brees has any of the things you listed? And if he does what is it any concern of yours?

"More than enough" is an extremely nearsighted view. There is no "more than enough", when it comes to me ensuring that my children and their children for generations to come have college paid for and never having to work pay check to pay check.

Voting to take a cut in pay with no guarantee of winning is a fools bet, and fools and their money easily part.

TheOak · 02-03-2014, 11:23 AM

Let's see if this changes peoples view on value and market pricing.

Forget that $100M is someone's paycheck.... That makes it way too personal and hits too close to home for some to look at it the way it should.

Scenario:

Your company of 3 people (you, your wife and your daughter) invented a widget/technology; and you own the IP (intellectual property), patent, copy right, etc...

That widget/technology cost you $500 to produce.

Major corporation X is interested in buying it from you, company name, IP and all. You know and can prove that your widget/technology will save them $400 million over the next 4 years.

Keep in mind, once you sell it, you are done with it; you , your wife and daughter are unemployed.

What is your asking price for that widget/technology and your company?

exile · 02-03-2014, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Let's see if this changes peoples view on value and market pricing.

Forget that $100M is someone's paycheck.... That makes it way too personal and hits too close to home for some to look at it the way it should.

Scenario:

Your company of 3 people (you, your wife and your daughter) invented a widget/technology; and you own the IP (intellectual property), patent, copy right, etc...

That widget/technology cost you $500 to produce.

Major corporation X is interested in buying it from you, company name, IP and all. You know and can prove that your widget/technology will save them $400 million over the next 4 years.

Keep in mind, once you sell it, you are done with it; you , your wife and daughter are unemployed.

What is your asking price for that widget/technology and your company?

I would lease it to them and charge $1 per $10 saved perpetually.

TheOak · 02-03-2014, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by exile

I would lease it to them and charge $1 per $10 saved perpetually.

They want to own it. No other options on the table.

View Poll Results: Should Drew play for less money.
No, he earned his contract.	15	44.12%
Yes,if he cared about the team he'd play for less than he's worth.	14	41.18%
Yes, he doesn't deserve to be payed like an elite QB.	2	5.88%
No, he should think about his and his family's future and get every peny he can get.	3	8.82%
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02-03-2014, 03:42 AM	#31
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Drew Re - Structuring oh the pains of a 100 million dollar QB lmao one more year then drew will step to plate and do the team thing. * copy and paste * alleycat_126 and lee909 like this.

02-03-2014, 03:44 AM	#32
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Should Drew Play for Less $$ ? oh the pains of a 100 million dollar QB lmao one more year then drew will step to plate and do the team thing. * copy and paste * I say take the money and run till you can restruture so it does not hurt the team. feed the kids, take your be oh the pains of a 100 million dollar QB lmao one more year then drew will step to plate and do the team thing. take the money and run take your beautiful wife to bed make more kids enjoy the pay day
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02-03-2014, 09:25 AM	#33
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Should Drew Play for Less $$ ? Every contract should have incentives for play. Reach this get x amount, complete this get x, would you pay 100 million to 1 person on a bad team, I wouldn't, it limits things immediatly. Going rate is going rate what else do you do.

02-03-2014, 10:11 AM	#34
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Should Drew Play for Less $$ ? Originally Posted by Schmohams I'm not saying he should... But if he was willing to give money back then i'd have to raise my respect meter to fit him in there. So restructuring raises your respect level but Immersing yourself into the culture and climate of a city.... Building a brand that will be the standard for years to come Bringing them success, and a Super Bowl ring... None of these things constitute as respect earners? BTW........ Either way this goes he's not giving anything back, taking upfront money and getting off the cap is further delaying the fact that we have to pay for what we got from him which was and is over exceeding expectations!!!!

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02-03-2014, 10:28 AM	#35
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Drew Re - Structuring Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints How many QB's have played in a S.B. since Drew? (8) How many QB's have WON a S.B. since Drew? (4) He aint all that. Alaska Alaska.... Russell Wison didn't win this game, he just didn't lose it.... As evidence by the 219 yards, 2 tds, and no ints game he gives them while they hand the MVP to MIKE SMITH??? Check these factors maybe they will bring you back to this planet..., turnover ratio..., rushing attempts ( just who had more attempts) red zone defense..... Third down conversion... If you check every one of those I think you'll find that the running qb didn't do anything more than the cerebral qb did....... Calm down....lol

02-03-2014, 10:32 AM	#36
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Should Drew Play for Less $$ ? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Every contract should have incentives for play. Reach this get x amount, complete this get x, would you pay 100 million to 1 person on a bad team, I wouldn't, it limits things immediatly. Going rate is going rate what else do you do. So then if you are not paying 100m to grab a difference makes to take your team out of the ashes how are you going to get him there? While putting performance bonuses on play is fine in theory in practice it drives the wrong behaviors for a few reasons. 1. A coach can kill someones bonus just by not playing him to save cap space. 2. It will cause players to go public if they feel like they missed their bonus because of a bad officiating call or someone else got more playing time. 3. Owners will pressure coaches to keep the cap down intentionally.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

02-03-2014, 10:39 AM	#37
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Should Drew Play for Less $$ ? Originally Posted by teddybarexxx this is where i have a problem when people say what you just said. its a difference to be earning money that is probably taking you paycheck to paycheck versus money that may effect whether you get another porshe, or vacation home in the aspens. i'm like the person that stated no one should be earning 20 mil a year and feel he shouldnt take a cut to better a team chances of winning. hell he got more than enough money! so i vote if he cares more about winning than getting paid he should take a pay cut so it increases the chances of the saints winning this year (2014-15) That is your view which is based on where you are financially. Its the difference between someone entering a career path that can end in 5 years and crippled having enough money to not have to flip burgers at Wendys. You assume what people with 20m would do with it. Show any evidence at all that Drew Brees has any of the things you listed? And if he does what is it any concern of yours? "More than enough" is an extremely nearsighted view. There is no "more than enough", when it comes to me ensuring that my children and their children for generations to come have college paid for and never having to work pay check to pay check. Voting to take a cut in pay with no guarantee of winning is a fools bet, and fools and their money easily part. jnormand and SASaintsfan like this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

02-03-2014, 11:23 AM	#38
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Should Drew Play for Less $$ ? Let's see if this changes peoples view on value and market pricing. Forget that $100M is someone's paycheck.... That makes it way too personal and hits too close to home for some to look at it the way it should. Scenario: Your company of 3 people (you, your wife and your daughter) invented a widget/technology; and you own the IP (intellectual property), patent, copy right, etc... That widget/technology cost you $500 to produce. Major corporation X is interested in buying it from you, company name, IP and all. You know and can prove that your widget/technology will save them $400 million over the next 4 years. Keep in mind, once you sell it, you are done with it; you , your wife and daughter are unemployed. What is your asking price for that widget/technology and your company?
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

02-03-2014, 11:30 AM	#39
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Should Drew Play for Less $$ ? Originally Posted by TheOak Let's see if this changes peoples view on value and market pricing. Forget that $100M is someone's paycheck.... That makes it way too personal and hits too close to home for some to look at it the way it should. Scenario: Your company of 3 people (you, your wife and your daughter) invented a widget/technology; and you own the IP (intellectual property), patent, copy right, etc... That widget/technology cost you $500 to produce. Major corporation X is interested in buying it from you, company name, IP and all. You know and can prove that your widget/technology will save them $400 million over the next 4 years. Keep in mind, once you sell it, you are done with it; you , your wife and daughter are unemployed. What is your asking price for that widget/technology and your company? I would lease it to them and charge $1 per $10 saved perpetually.
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608

02-03-2014, 11:34 AM	#40
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Should Drew Play for Less $$ ? Originally Posted by exile I would lease it to them and charge $1 per $10 saved perpetually. They want to own it. No other options on the table. exile likes this.

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