Brees theatrics are an absurd but fitting end to non-controversy involving Jimmy Graham

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-05-2014, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

He (Graham) is not going anywhere. I don't think any franchise is foolish enough to give up 2 #1 draft picks for the chance to negotiate with Jimmy for WR money.

Originally Posted by TheOak

The team does not have that option. Once Jimmy is offered $x from another team and the offer sheet is signed, if the Saints do not match, the Saints are awarded two first round draft picks from that team.

I think my point is still valid. By making the offer, another franchise knows going in that the price will be 2 FRDPs. I just don't think that anyone is willing to pay that high a price for Graham.

Another observation is that virtually all of the really great tight ends in the league are coupled with outstanding QBs (Graham/Brees, Gronk/Brady, Gates/Rivers, and even to some degree Gonzales/Ryan). I'm not sure that Julius Thomas has enough experience to be considered in this group and that the only exception seems to be Jordan Cameron in Cleveland. An interesting question is whether or not a team without a top flight QB would take a flyer on Graham. A second question is if Graham would be close to as productive under a QB not named Brees.

SFIAH

TheOak · 02-05-2014, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I think my point is still valid. By making the offer, another franchise knows going in that the price will be 2 FRDPs. I just don't think that anyone is willing to pay that high a price for Graham.

Another observation is that virtually all of the really great tight ends in the league are coupled with outstanding QBs (Graham/Brees, Gronk/Brady, Gates/Rivers, and even to some degree Gonzales/Ryan). I'm not sure that Julius Thomas has enough experience to be considered in this group and that the only exception seems to be Jordan Cameron in Cleveland. An interesting question is whether or not a team without a top flight QB would take a flyer on Graham. A second question is if Graham would be close to as productive under a QB not named Brees.

SFIAH

Nope... Point is not valid, the scenario has to play out. If Team x offers him 6.9m a year which is above the tag but below what he expects, the Saints would match it and keep him.

For a team like Atlanta that would love nothing more than to replace Gonzo and not have to rewrite their game plan, Jimmy Graham would be worth 2 FRDPs. Any team that gives Matt Ryan 104m and Roddy White 42m would easily give up 2 FRDPs.

02-05-2014, 12:25 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Brees theatrics are an absurd but fitting end to non-controversy involving Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL He (Graham) is not going anywhere. I don't think any franchise is foolish enough to give up 2 #1 draft picks for the chance to negotiate with Jimmy for WR money. Originally Posted by TheOak The team does not have that option. Once Jimmy is offered $x from another team and the offer sheet is signed, if the Saints do not match, the Saints are awarded two first round draft picks from that team. I think my point is still valid. By making the offer, another franchise knows going in that the price will be 2 FRDPs. I just don't think that anyone is willing to pay that high a price for Graham. Another observation is that virtually all of the really great tight ends in the league are coupled with outstanding QBs (Graham/Brees, Gronk/Brady, Gates/Rivers, and even to some degree Gonzales/Ryan). I'm not sure that Julius Thomas has enough experience to be considered in this group and that the only exception seems to be Jordan Cameron in Cleveland. An interesting question is whether or not a team without a top flight QB would take a flyer on Graham. A second question is if Graham would be close to as productive under a QB not named Brees. SFIAH
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02-05-2014, 12:41 PM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Brees theatrics are an absurd but fitting end to non-controversy involving Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I think my point is still valid. By making the offer, another franchise knows going in that the price will be 2 FRDPs. I just don't think that anyone is willing to pay that high a price for Graham. Another observation is that virtually all of the really great tight ends in the league are coupled with outstanding QBs (Graham/Brees, Gronk/Brady, Gates/Rivers, and even to some degree Gonzales/Ryan). I'm not sure that Julius Thomas has enough experience to be considered in this group and that the only exception seems to be Jordan Cameron in Cleveland. An interesting question is whether or not a team without a top flight QB would take a flyer on Graham. A second question is if Graham would be close to as productive under a QB not named Brees. SFIAH Nope... Point is not valid, the scenario has to play out. If Team x offers him 6.9m a year which is above the tag but below what he expects, the Saints would match it and keep him. For a team like Atlanta that would love nothing more than to replace Gonzo and not have to rewrite their game plan, Jimmy Graham would be worth 2 FRDPs. Any team that gives Matt Ryan 104m and Roddy White 42m would easily give up 2 FRDPs. MarchingOn likes this.

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