Cap going way up in 2015

Jack Vegas · 02-06-2014, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

I really dont see Loomis wanting to touch Brees contract yet.Its still relatively affordable and the big increase bites next year so it will be redone then.
This increase will help but only in keeping the nucleus of tbe team together. Cuts still need to be made as that 8ml next year will barely cover Cam Jordan needing a new deal. I think that those on the bubble should be cut to get Grahams new deal(depending on $). Use the increase to pay Cam and any restructure's will eat up cap increases and FA.

By the time Jordan needs a new deal (2015) we are very, very likely going to be rid of Harper and Moore's contracts, and that's well over $9 million. Add in Greer and it's more like $15 million, and that's with the core of the team still very much intact otherwise.

I have become a big believer in Mickey Loomis. He may only be a numbers guy, but he seems to have a very good handle on the long term. As long as the "football guys" are working the draft and UDFAs like they have been doing Loomis should be able to keep taking care of the big contract guys until Brees retires and they have to blow it all up.

TheOak · 02-06-2014, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

.....or if your star QB is on his way out and you know you'll never be competitive without him, so why not tank that season anyway and prepare to come back with a vengeance. I see that being the scenario when Brees retires. Until then, it's not so difficult to keep your top talent to ensure the team remains competitive while that window is open.

This franchise has involuntarily tanked enough seasons. It doesn't dare do it on purpose.

On your reply to lee, we have way too much talent to blow our offense up, even with out Drew Brees. Over the next 3-5 years you are going to see us get younger so that a new QB steps onto the field with experienced veterans of our system. So me a blow up is a one year regime change... coaches and all.

Now, where did you pull 8m cap increase? The article says 4m and from what I have heard it will be in that neighborhood as the 290m will be divided between the 32 teams but its is not a direct transfer, there is a formula involved and advertising on two networks amongst other things comes out of that.

Danno · 02-06-2014, 09:12 AM

Really well run organizations let players go a year or two before its obvious, and don't grossly overpay for mediocre players.

The only complaint I have about Loomis is that he tends to overpay for our own free-agents and keeps players that could be replaced with a cheaper younger version.

Yeah I know I'm nit-picking. I think Loomis is a top 10 GM in the NFL, maybe even top 5, but no one is perfect.

I'd be a bit disappointed if we managed to keep everyone at the expense of even greater cap problems down the road. A part of me hopes to see us part ways with a few overpaid older players. It would demonstrate that Mickey isn't afraid to make tough, even unpopular decisions.

Does that make sense?

lee909 · 02-06-2014, 09:56 AM

Makes perfect sense to me.
Completely agree.

Jack Vegas · 02-06-2014, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Now, where did you pull 8m cap increase?

They changed the number, it said 7.8 or 7.9 million when the story was first posted.

TheOak · 02-07-2014, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

They changed the number, it said 7.8 or 7.9 million when the story was first posted.

I thought so because i went off the same number in my original reply.

Jamessr · 02-07-2014, 03:56 PM

Cap space being passed to the consumer...

02-06-2014, 01:44 AM	#11
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Cap going way up in 2015 Originally Posted by lee909 I really dont see Loomis wanting to touch Brees contract yet.Its still relatively affordable and the big increase bites next year so it will be redone then. This increase will help but only in keeping the nucleus of tbe team together. Cuts still need to be made as that 8ml next year will barely cover Cam Jordan needing a new deal. I think that those on the bubble should be cut to get Grahams new deal(depending on $). Use the increase to pay Cam and any restructure's will eat up cap increases and FA. By the time Jordan needs a new deal (2015) we are very, very likely going to be rid of Harper and Moore's contracts, and that's well over $9 million. Add in Greer and it's more like $15 million, and that's with the core of the team still very much intact otherwise. I have become a big believer in Mickey Loomis. He may only be a numbers guy, but he seems to have a very good handle on the long term. As long as the "football guys" are working the draft and UDFAs like they have been doing Loomis should be able to keep taking care of the big contract guys until Brees retires and they have to blow it all up. hagan714 likes this.
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02-06-2014, 07:53 AM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Cap going way up in 2015 Originally Posted by Jack Vegas .....or if your star QB is on his way out and you know you'll never be competitive without him, so why not tank that season anyway and prepare to come back with a vengeance. I see that being the scenario when Brees retires. Until then, it's not so difficult to keep your top talent to ensure the team remains competitive while that window is open. This franchise has involuntarily tanked enough seasons. It doesn't dare do it on purpose. On your reply to lee, we have way too much talent to blow our offense up, even with out Drew Brees. Over the next 3-5 years you are going to see us get younger so that a new QB steps onto the field with experienced veterans of our system. So me a blow up is a one year regime change... coaches and all. Now, where did you pull 8m cap increase? The article says 4m and from what I have heard it will be in that neighborhood as the 290m will be divided between the 32 teams but its is not a direct transfer, there is a formula involved and advertising on two networks amongst other things comes out of that.
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02-06-2014, 09:12 AM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Cap going way up in 2015 Really well run organizations let players go a year or two before its obvious, and don't grossly overpay for mediocre players. The only complaint I have about Loomis is that he tends to overpay for our own free-agents and keeps players that could be replaced with a cheaper younger version. Yeah I know I'm nit-picking. I think Loomis is a top 10 GM in the NFL, maybe even top 5, but no one is perfect. I'd be a bit disappointed if we managed to keep everyone at the expense of even greater cap problems down the road. A part of me hopes to see us part ways with a few overpaid older players. It would demonstrate that Mickey isn't afraid to make tough, even unpopular decisions. Does that make sense? lee909 and saintsfan403 like this.

02-06-2014, 09:56 AM	#14
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Cap going way up in 2015 Makes perfect sense to me. Completely agree.

02-06-2014, 05:54 PM	#15
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Cap going way up in 2015 Originally Posted by TheOak Now, where did you pull 8m cap increase? They changed the number, it said 7.8 or 7.9 million when the story was first posted.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Cap going way up in 2015 Originally Posted by Jack Vegas They changed the number, it said 7.8 or 7.9 million when the story was first posted. I thought so because i went off the same number in my original reply.

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