Saints uniforms are Classics, but what about black helmets?

TheOak · 02-20-2014, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I think Jack Vegas was maybe referencing this:

Buccaneers throwback helmets deemed unsafe to wear - ESPN

I'm not sure, but maybe all of those pics were taken prior to this past season - if, in fact, a rule was put in place which allows a team to only use one helmet during the season.

So, if I understand the issue correctly; the Saints would have to repaint their helmets from gold to black and vice versa if they wanted to have two different color helmets. The inner helmet can't be changed, but the paint on it can...

Two separate items. One is old school unsafe helmets, the other is different colors.

The helmet that Drew wears can be duplicated in the same color or different color and doesn't effect safety or fit.

The leagues concern is fit and safety, even though the memo sent put is horribly unclear. Especially when I've seen players crack a helmet and then just grab someone else's off the sidelines. Didn't Lynch do that this season?

Budsdrinker · 02-20-2014, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Two separate items. One is old school unsafe helmets, the other is different colors.

The helmet that Drew wears can be duplicated in the same color or different color and doesn't effect safety or fit.

The leagues concern is fit and safety, even though the memo sent put is horribly unclear. Especially when I've seen players crack a helmet and then just grab someone else's off the sidelines. Didn't Lynch do that this season?

Nope, according to the stupid rule only one helmet. You can change the color or decals but only one helmet per player. Dumbest rule I ever heard but they are enforcing it.

TheOak · 02-20-2014, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Nope, according to the stupid rule only one helmet. You can change the color or decals but only one helmet per player. Dumbest rule I ever heard but they are enforcing it.

Ha... See, I can't apply any logic to that crap.

If that is the case, when Marshawn Lynch broke his helmet he should have been out the rest of the game.

See this says "throwback helmets".

"“Our Head, Neck, and Spine Committee, chaired by Drs. Hunt Batjer and Richard Ellenbogen, and the Player Safety Advisory Panel, chaired by John Madden and Ronnie Lott, have recommended that players no longer wear different helmets as part of a ‘Throwback’ or ‘Third’ uniform,” the memo from the league office said. “Our office supports this change and has reviewed it with the chairman of our Health and Safety ownership committee, Dr. John York, who concurs with this recommendation.”"

$100 bucks says the rule is because the league doesn't want to pay to trade mark the alternate uniforms and helmets.

Jack Vegas · 02-20-2014, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Two separate items. One is old school unsafe helmets, the other is different colors.

The helmet that Drew wears can be duplicated in the same color or different color and doesn't effect safety or fit.

The leagues concern is fit and safety, even though the memo sent put is horribly unclear. Especially when I've seen players crack a helmet and then just grab someone else's off the sidelines. Didn't Lynch do that this season?

From the article linked above:

Who came up with this new guideline?

The NFL's Head, Neck and Spine Committee and the Player Safety Advisory Panel, both of which are independent, unpaid panels that advise the league on safety issues. They felt that it's safer for a player to stick with the same helmet for the entire season because new helmets take time to be broken in properly.

Is this new guideline a recommendation or a hard rule?

It is not an advisory, and it is not optional. It is a rule. Teams must follow it.

What if a player's helmet is damaged or if he's released by one team and signs with a new team? Won't he need a new helmet?

Of course. The idea isn't to force a player to wear the same helmet all season long. The idea is to minimize the switching out of helmets.

We could still do the 60's throwbacks with the larger fleur de lis, all it would take is just switching the decals.

Originally Posted by TheOak

$100 bucks says the rule is because the league doesn't want to pay to trade mark the alternate uniforms and helmets.

For all its grandstanding and money grubbing, I do believe the league is truly trying to make the game safer. That's not saying the owners really care about the players, they just don't want to get sued into bankruptcy and have the game die off because parents don't want their kids playing anymore.

TheOak · 02-20-2014, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

From the article linked above:

Who came up with this new guideline?

The NFL's Head, Neck and Spine Committee and the Player Safety Advisory Panel, both of which are independent, unpaid panels that advise the league on safety issues. They felt that it's safer for a player to stick with the same helmet for the entire season because new helmets take time to be broken in properly.

Is this new guideline a recommendation or a hard rule?

It is not an advisory, and it is not optional. It is a rule. Teams must follow it.

What if a player's helmet is damaged or if he's released by one team and signs with a new team? Won't he need a new helmet?

Of course. The idea isn't to force a player to wear the same helmet all season long. The idea is to minimize the switching out of helmets.

We could still do the 60's throwbacks with the larger fleur de lis, all it would take is just switching the decals.

So it's like your old man grabbing your collar, looking into your eyes and saying "I SUGGEST you don't screw up".... Only a suggestion lol

02-20-2014, 08:55 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Black helmets for the New Orleans Saints: What you're saying Originally Posted by FinSaint I think Jack Vegas was maybe referencing this: Buccaneers throwback helmets deemed unsafe to wear - ESPN I'm not sure, but maybe all of those pics were taken prior to this past season - if, in fact, a rule was put in place which allows a team to only use one helmet during the season. So, if I understand the issue correctly; the Saints would have to repaint their helmets from gold to black and vice versa if they wanted to have two different color helmets. The inner helmet can't be changed, but the paint on it can... Two separate items. One is old school unsafe helmets, the other is different colors. The helmet that Drew wears can be duplicated in the same color or different color and doesn't effect safety or fit. The leagues concern is fit and safety, even though the memo sent put is horribly unclear. Especially when I've seen players crack a helmet and then just grab someone else's off the sidelines. Didn't Lynch do that this season?

02-20-2014, 09:16 AM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Black helmets for the New Orleans Saints: What you're saying Originally Posted by TheOak Two separate items. One is old school unsafe helmets, the other is different colors. The helmet that Drew wears can be duplicated in the same color or different color and doesn't effect safety or fit. The leagues concern is fit and safety, even though the memo sent put is horribly unclear. Especially when I've seen players crack a helmet and then just grab someone else's off the sidelines. Didn't Lynch do that this season? Nope, according to the stupid rule only one helmet. You can change the color or decals but only one helmet per player. Dumbest rule I ever heard but they are enforcing it.

02-20-2014, 09:26 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Black helmets for the New Orleans Saints: What you're saying Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Nope, according to the stupid rule only one helmet. You can change the color or decals but only one helmet per player. Dumbest rule I ever heard but they are enforcing it. Ha... See, I can't apply any logic to that crap. If that is the case, when Marshawn Lynch broke his helmet he should have been out the rest of the game. See this says "throwback helmets". "“Our Head, Neck, and Spine Committee, chaired by Drs. Hunt Batjer and Richard Ellenbogen, and the Player Safety Advisory Panel, chaired by John Madden and Ronnie Lott, have recommended that players no longer wear different helmets as part of a ‘Throwback’ or ‘Third’ uniform,” the memo from the league office said. “Our office supports this change and has reviewed it with the chairman of our Health and Safety ownership committee, Dr. John York, who concurs with this recommendation.”" $100 bucks says the rule is because the league doesn't want to pay to trade mark the alternate uniforms and helmets.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

02-20-2014, 12:39 PM	#4
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Black helmets for the New Orleans Saints: What you're saying Originally Posted by TheOak Two separate items. One is old school unsafe helmets, the other is different colors. The helmet that Drew wears can be duplicated in the same color or different color and doesn't effect safety or fit. The leagues concern is fit and safety, even though the memo sent put is horribly unclear. Especially when I've seen players crack a helmet and then just grab someone else's off the sidelines. Didn't Lynch do that this season? From the article linked above: Who came up with this new guideline? The NFL's Head, Neck and Spine Committee and the Player Safety Advisory Panel, both of which are independent, unpaid panels that advise the league on safety issues. They felt that it's safer for a player to stick with the same helmet for the entire season because new helmets take time to be broken in properly. Is this new guideline a recommendation or a hard rule? It is not an advisory, and it is not optional. It is a rule. Teams must follow it. What if a player's helmet is damaged or if he's released by one team and signs with a new team? Won't he need a new helmet? Of course. The idea isn't to force a player to wear the same helmet all season long. The idea is to minimize the switching out of helmets. We could still do the 60's throwbacks with the larger fleur de lis, all it would take is just switching the decals. Originally Posted by TheOak $100 bucks says the rule is because the league doesn't want to pay to trade mark the alternate uniforms and helmets. For all its grandstanding and money grubbing, I do believe the league is truly trying to make the game safer. That's not saying the owners really care about the players, they just don't want to get sued into bankruptcy and have the game die off because parents don't want their kids playing anymore.
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254

02-20-2014, 12:43 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Black helmets for the New Orleans Saints: What you're saying Originally Posted by Jack Vegas From the article linked above: Who came up with this new guideline? The NFL's Head, Neck and Spine Committee and the Player Safety Advisory Panel, both of which are independent, unpaid panels that advise the league on safety issues. They felt that it's safer for a player to stick with the same helmet for the entire season because new helmets take time to be broken in properly. Is this new guideline a recommendation or a hard rule? It is not an advisory, and it is not optional. It is a rule. Teams must follow it. What if a player's helmet is damaged or if he's released by one team and signs with a new team? Won't he need a new helmet? Of course. The idea isn't to force a player to wear the same helmet all season long. The idea is to minimize the switching out of helmets. We could still do the 60's throwbacks with the larger fleur de lis, all it would take is just switching the decals. So it's like your old man grabbing your collar, looking into your eyes and saying "I SUGGEST you don't screw up".... Only a suggestion lol

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