Saints 'would be a perfect fit,' Odell Beckham Jr. says

02-23-2014, 09:51 PM

Kenny Stills, Joe Morgan and Odell Jr..... I can dig it

K Major · 02-24-2014, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by NinthWardJay

Kenny Stills, Joe Morgan and Odell Jr..... I can dig it

I'm hoping Morgan is 100% going into camp. I still have question marks on his route running.

TheOak · 02-24-2014, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm hoping Morgan is 100% going into camp. I still have question marks on his route running.

That's because there are bigger question marks about his ability to stay healthy.

Danno · 02-24-2014, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

He ran a 4.7

For the record, Jerry Rice ran a 4.7
So does Anquan Boldin.

I think speed is the most overrated quality in a WR. It can help, sure, but it isn't a necessity. Landry will be a fine pro because he is very advanced in the technical parts of the game. (route running, blocking, catching, etc)

As scouts have pointed out, he's below average coming out of the blocks, but fast once he gets up to speed.

His speed is fine considering most WR/CB races begin after the first few steps and after contact anyway.

Yeah, if he ran a 4.9 I'd avoid him, but a 4.7 doesn't drop him off the board considering all his other skills/measurables.

TheOak · 02-24-2014, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

As scouts have pointed out, he's below average coming out of the blocks, but fast once he gets up to speed.

His speed is fine considering most WR/CB races begin after the first few steps and after contact anyway.

Yeah, if he ran a 4.9 I'd avoid him, but a 4.7 doesn't drop him off the board considering all his other skills/measurables.

Ill twist that for ya a little. We had a huge issue this season with WRs coming out of blocks slowly. Seattle exploits that.

Danno · 02-24-2014, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Ill twist that for ya a little. We had a huge issue this season with WRs coming out of blocks slowly. Seattle exploits that.

But it wasn't start speed that was the problem, it was disengaging physical CB's. I think thats a physicality problem, not a first jump problem.

TheOak · 02-24-2014, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

But it wasn't start speed that was the problem, it was disengaging physical CB's. I think thats a physicality problem, not a first jump problem.

Wouldn't first jump quickness and power be the key to preventing full engagement making disengaging easier?

As an offensive lineman I went up against bigger and stronger linemen but I was quicker to get out of my stance, load hands and get my power underneath me.

If a WR can get in a CBs face quicker he isn't taking on 100% of that CBs momentum.

jeanpierre · 02-24-2014, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

But it wasn't start speed that was the problem, it was disengaging physical CB's. I think thats a physicality problem, not a first jump problem.

^^^This ad nauseum^^^

ESPN Triplett: Trent Dilfers thoughts on New Orlenas Saints-Seattle Seahawks - ESPN

On whether the Seahawks are as good as any team in the NFL today at disrupting receivers’ routes:

Dilfer: “Yes, Pete [Carroll] and his staff have done a great job in kind of bringing back the ‘80s secondary play. And I know they’re gonna deny this, but there’s no denying it -- they’re convinced that the refs are only gonna throw about 15 flags a game. And they’re not gonna throw all 15 of those in the secondary. So they might get four to six thrown on ‘em. But they figure, if a team’s gonna throw the ball 40 times and we’re gonna get physical 40 times, they’re not gonna call more than six [penalties]. So they’re really playing the odds with how they play in the secondary.

billyt81 · 03-28-2014, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

I'd rather have Jarvis Landry.

I agree with this. I LOVE Jarvis Landry(dude tackles like Gleason on special teams and blocks like an animal too). But Beckam is a great returner, which we desperately need and he can stretch the defense which we need even more. I'm gonna say something now which I notice. Payton has drafted very few local players. The fans love it...ala...(Dalton Hilliard, Eric Martin, Bobby Hebert) I'd love Jarvis Landry, Beckam, J.C. Copeland, Ego Ferguson, the wideout from Tulane. Give me one of em at least please Sean Payton.

billyt81 · 03-28-2014, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by NinthWardJay

Kenny Stills, Joe Morgan and Odell Jr..... I can dig it

That does sound good

02-23-2014, 09:51 PM	#41
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02-24-2014, 09:48 AM	#42
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints 'would be a perfect fit,' Odell Beckham Jr. says Originally Posted by NinthWardJay Kenny Stills, Joe Morgan and Odell Jr..... I can dig it I'm hoping Morgan is 100% going into camp. I still have question marks on his route running.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints 'would be a perfect fit,' Odell Beckham Jr. says Originally Posted by K Major I'm hoping Morgan is 100% going into camp. I still have question marks on his route running. That's because there are bigger question marks about his ability to stay healthy.

02-24-2014, 11:55 AM	#44
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints 'would be a perfect fit,' Odell Beckham Jr. says Originally Posted by SaintLeonard He ran a 4.7 For the record, Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 So does Anquan Boldin. I think speed is the most overrated quality in a WR. It can help, sure, but it isn't a necessity. Landry will be a fine pro because he is very advanced in the technical parts of the game. (route running, blocking, catching, etc) As scouts have pointed out, he's below average coming out of the blocks, but fast once he gets up to speed. His speed is fine considering most WR/CB races begin after the first few steps and after contact anyway. Yeah, if he ran a 4.9 I'd avoid him, but a 4.7 doesn't drop him off the board considering all his other skills/measurables.

02-24-2014, 12:32 PM	#45
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints 'would be a perfect fit,' Odell Beckham Jr. says Originally Posted by Danno As scouts have pointed out, he's below average coming out of the blocks, but fast once he gets up to speed. His speed is fine considering most WR/CB races begin after the first few steps and after contact anyway. Yeah, if he ran a 4.9 I'd avoid him, but a 4.7 doesn't drop him off the board considering all his other skills/measurables. Ill twist that for ya a little. We had a huge issue this season with WRs coming out of blocks slowly. Seattle exploits that.

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02-24-2014, 12:40 PM	#46
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints 'would be a perfect fit,' Odell Beckham Jr. says Originally Posted by TheOak Ill twist that for ya a little. We had a huge issue this season with WRs coming out of blocks slowly. Seattle exploits that. But it wasn't start speed that was the problem, it was disengaging physical CB's. I think thats a physicality problem, not a first jump problem. stickman likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints 'would be a perfect fit,' Odell Beckham Jr. says Originally Posted by Danno But it wasn't start speed that was the problem, it was disengaging physical CB's. I think thats a physicality problem, not a first jump problem. Wouldn't first jump quickness and power be the key to preventing full engagement making disengaging easier? As an offensive lineman I went up against bigger and stronger linemen but I was quicker to get out of my stance, load hands and get my power underneath me. If a WR can get in a CBs face quicker he isn't taking on 100% of that CBs momentum. jeanpierre likes this.

02-24-2014, 01:37 PM	#48
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints 'would be a perfect fit,' Odell Beckham Jr. says Originally Posted by Danno But it wasn't start speed that was the problem, it was disengaging physical CB's. I think thats a physicality problem, not a first jump problem. ^^^This ad nauseum^^^ ESPN Triplett: Trent Dilfers thoughts on New Orlenas Saints-Seattle Seahawks - ESPN On whether the Seahawks are as good as any team in the NFL today at disrupting receivers’ routes: Dilfer: “Yes, Pete [Carroll] and his staff have done a great job in kind of bringing back the ‘80s secondary play. And I know they’re gonna deny this, but there’s no denying it -- they’re convinced that the refs are only gonna throw about 15 flags a game. And they’re not gonna throw all 15 of those in the secondary. So they might get four to six thrown on ‘em. But they figure, if a team’s gonna throw the ball 40 times and we’re gonna get physical 40 times, they’re not gonna call more than six [penalties]. So they’re really playing the odds with how they play in the secondary. st thomas likes this.
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03-28-2014, 07:20 PM	#49
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Saints 'would be a perfect fit,' Odell Beckham Jr. says Originally Posted by stickman I'd rather have Jarvis Landry. I agree with this. I LOVE Jarvis Landry(dude tackles like Gleason on special teams and blocks like an animal too). But Beckam is a great returner, which we desperately need and he can stretch the defense which we need even more. I'm gonna say something now which I notice. Payton has drafted very few local players. The fans love it...ala...(Dalton Hilliard, Eric Martin, Bobby Hebert) I'd love Jarvis Landry, Beckam, J.C. Copeland, Ego Ferguson, the wideout from Tulane. Give me one of em at least please Sean Payton.

03-28-2014, 07:23 PM	#50
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Saints 'would be a perfect fit,' Odell Beckham Jr. says Originally Posted by NinthWardJay Kenny Stills, Joe Morgan and Odell Jr..... I can dig it That does sound good

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