Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?

rezburna · 02-26-2014, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We would love additional modalities such as the ultimate-blocking-machine and the ultimate-show-up-at-big-games-machine to complement the TD machine.

Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc..

SaintLeonard · 02-26-2014, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc..

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Graham @ NYJ: 9 recs, 116 yards, 2 TDs
Graham @ Car: 5 recs, 73 yards, 1 TD

exile · 02-26-2014, 02:58 PM

Love it or hate it the Saints have already said they would pay Graham more than $9m (Gronk money). It's only logical that his agents now start at $12m. It's how negotiations work.

Saints | Willing to pay Jimmy Graham more than Rob Gronkowski - NFL Hot off the Wire

So $3m difference will get setting in between is my predication. $10.5m per season for 6 years. Saints want him. They'll figure it out.

halloween 65 · 02-26-2014, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

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Graham @ NYJ: 9 recs, 116 yards, 2 TDs
Graham @ Car: 5 recs, 73 yards, 1 TD

I believe you forgot a few games he listed there? Jimmy"Puddin" Graham is nothing more than a product of Paytons system. Prime example Meachum to the Chargers and "got paid well" and then released. Puddin not showing up in games were bad enough this year without top money, why pay top dollar to a guy when other teams know how to take him out of the game, it wasn't like he was triple teamed like a Calvin Johnson or always double teamed Vernon Davis. Teams loose players in FA each and every year(FA market) it would be no different with Graham, and as much as Brees uses him as a crutch I feel it would only help the team as a whole to let him walk.

SaintLeonard · 02-26-2014, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I believe you forgot a few games he listed there? Jimmy"Puddin" Graham is nothing more than a product of Paytons system. Prime example Meachum to the Chargers and "got paid well" and then released. Puddin not showing up in games were bad enough this year without top money, why pay top dollar to a guy when other teams know how to take him out of the game, it wasn't like he was triple teamed like a Calvin Johnson or always double teamed Vernon Davis. Teams loose players in FA each and every year(FA market) it would be no different with Graham, and as much as Brees uses him as a crutch I feel it would only help the team as a whole to let him walk.

Despite all the games Graham "disappeared in" he still had a 1000 yard season, which is something like less than 5 TEs have ever done. And Graham's already done it twice in his very young career. He is the best TE in the game, it's really not a debate. And he's not a product of Payton's system. He's a 6'7 TE with insane speed and athleticism at the position. He could put up 1K seasons wherever he goes.

There were some games this year he didn't put up the stats, but he also dealt with a lingering injury. Let's not forget he's still pretty new to the game of football. He's only played it in organized fashion for four years. He still has a lot of room to grow, which is insane to think about.

We'd be crazy to let him walk away. Thankfully our front office seems to agree with me.

Utah_Saint · 02-26-2014, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc..

Against the Jets he had 116 yards and two touchdowns, In the two games against Carolina he had 131 yards and 3 touchdowns.

And if he's being taken out of so many games, how did he end up with over 1200 yards for the season?

And if every one knows how to shut him out of games, how did he get 16 touchdowns? Which receivers can't get shut out? How many scores did they get?

SmashMouth · 02-27-2014, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Against the Jets he had 116 yards and two touchdowns, In the two games against Carolina he had 131 yards and 3 touchdowns.

And if he's being taken out of so many games, how did he end up with over 1200 yards for the season?

And if every one knows how to shut him out of games, how did he get 16 touchdowns? Which receivers can't get shut out? How many scores did they get?

He did indeed ... it's just that he needs to be elite against elite teams as well, such as Seattle or NE. They provided the blueprint on how to defend him after he was in beastmode early in the year. Tony Gonzales still found ways to get open and block against these same teams. Hopefully Grambeaux will figure it out this year after he irons out his contract.

rezburna · 02-27-2014, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Against the Jets he had 116 yards and two touchdowns, In the two games against Carolina he had 131 yards and 3 touchdowns.

And if he's being taken out of so many games, how did he end up with over 1200 yards for the season?

And if every one knows how to shut him out of games, how did he get 16 touchdowns? Which receivers can't get shut out? How many scores did they get?

We played Carolina twice. You got me with the Jets though.

Thing is, I like Jimmy Graham. I like what he has the potential to be. But I don't see a TE ever deserving $12 million a year. I don't even see a receiver outside of Megatron deserving that.

Utah_Saint · 02-27-2014, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

.... But I don't see a TE ever deserving $12 million a year. I don't even see a receiver outside of Megatron deserving that.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think his agent really expects to get 12 mill/year. I think there will be more than one team willing to pay 10 though.

02-26-2014, 02:39 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SmashMouth We would love additional modalities such as the ultimate-blocking-machine and the ultimate-show-up-at-big-games-machine to complement the TD machine. Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc..

02-26-2014, 02:41 PM	#2
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by rezburna Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc.. ??? Graham @ NYJ: 9 recs, 116 yards, 2 TDs Graham @ Car: 5 recs, 73 yards, 1 TD

02-26-2014, 02:58 PM	#3
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Love it or hate it the Saints have already said they would pay Graham more than $9m (Gronk money). It's only logical that his agents now start at $12m. It's how negotiations work. Saints \| Willing to pay Jimmy Graham more than Rob Gronkowski - NFL Hot off the Wire So $3m difference will get setting in between is my predication. $10.5m per season for 6 years. Saints want him. They'll figure it out.
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02-26-2014, 03:04 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SaintLeonard ??? Graham @ NYJ: 9 recs, 116 yards, 2 TDs Graham @ Car: 5 recs, 73 yards, 1 TD I believe you forgot a few games he listed there? Jimmy"Puddin" Graham is nothing more than a product of Paytons system. Prime example Meachum to the Chargers and "got paid well" and then released. Puddin not showing up in games were bad enough this year without top money, why pay top dollar to a guy when other teams know how to take him out of the game, it wasn't like he was triple teamed like a Calvin Johnson or always double teamed Vernon Davis. Teams loose players in FA each and every year(FA market) it would be no different with Graham, and as much as Brees uses him as a crutch I feel it would only help the team as a whole to let him walk.

02-26-2014, 03:13 PM	#5
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by halloween 65 I believe you forgot a few games he listed there? Jimmy"Puddin" Graham is nothing more than a product of Paytons system. Prime example Meachum to the Chargers and "got paid well" and then released. Puddin not showing up in games were bad enough this year without top money, why pay top dollar to a guy when other teams know how to take him out of the game, it wasn't like he was triple teamed like a Calvin Johnson or always double teamed Vernon Davis. Teams loose players in FA each and every year(FA market) it would be no different with Graham, and as much as Brees uses him as a crutch I feel it would only help the team as a whole to let him walk. Despite all the games Graham "disappeared in" he still had a 1000 yard season, which is something like less than 5 TEs have ever done. And Graham's already done it twice in his very young career. He is the best TE in the game, it's really not a debate. And he's not a product of Payton's system. He's a 6'7 TE with insane speed and athleticism at the position. He could put up 1K seasons wherever he goes. There were some games this year he didn't put up the stats, but he also dealt with a lingering injury. Let's not forget he's still pretty new to the game of football. He's only played it in organized fashion for four years. He still has a lot of room to grow, which is insane to think about. We'd be crazy to let him walk away. Thankfully our front office seems to agree with me.

02-26-2014, 11:46 PM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by rezburna Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc.. Against the Jets he had 116 yards and two touchdowns, In the two games against Carolina he had 131 yards and 3 touchdowns. And if he's being taken out of so many games, how did he end up with over 1200 yards for the season? And if every one knows how to shut him out of games, how did he get 16 touchdowns? Which receivers can't get shut out? How many scores did they get? ScottF likes this.

02-27-2014, 08:43 AM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,807 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Against the Jets he had 116 yards and two touchdowns, In the two games against Carolina he had 131 yards and 3 touchdowns. And if he's being taken out of so many games, how did he end up with over 1200 yards for the season? And if every one knows how to shut him out of games, how did he get 16 touchdowns? Which receivers can't get shut out? How many scores did they get? He did indeed ... it's just that he needs to be elite against elite teams as well, such as Seattle or NE. They provided the blueprint on how to defend him after he was in beastmode early in the year. Tony Gonzales still found ways to get open and block against these same teams. Hopefully Grambeaux will figure it out this year after he irons out his contract.

02-27-2014, 10:12 AM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Against the Jets he had 116 yards and two touchdowns, In the two games against Carolina he had 131 yards and 3 touchdowns. And if he's being taken out of so many games, how did he end up with over 1200 yards for the season? And if every one knows how to shut him out of games, how did he get 16 touchdowns? Which receivers can't get shut out? How many scores did they get? We played Carolina twice. You got me with the Jets though. Thing is, I like Jimmy Graham. I like what he has the potential to be. But I don't see a TE ever deserving $12 million a year. I don't even see a receiver outside of Megatron deserving that.

02-27-2014, 01:55 PM	#9
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by rezburna .... But I don't see a TE ever deserving $12 million a year. I don't even see a receiver outside of Megatron deserving that. Yeah, I agree. I don't think his agent really expects to get 12 mill/year. I think there will be more than one team willing to pay 10 though.

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