Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-27-2014, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

I just don't want to see our team get wrapped up "with millions of dollars" in only a couple of players. I have no doubt that if a deal can get done, Loomis will get it done.

I just don't want us cutting our nose off despite our face.

To me, Jimmy isn't worth $12 Million a year.

He isn't worth $12 million a year. Everyone, including Jimmy and his agent know that. No team will pay that kind of money. So that point is moot.

The real question is what is he worth?

1) The TE tag is somewhere are $6.5 million a year right?

2) Gronk's contract is 8 years $55 million. Technically that's about $7 million a year. But only $13 million of it is guaranteed up to 2016 (with the addition of a $10 million option bonus if the Pats decide to take him on until 2020).

3) The WR tag is $11.5 million per year.

It's pretty easy to argue that JG is the best TE in the game. But he isn't a WR. So it would seem reasonable that something that's better than Gronk's contract, but less than a premier WR contract (Megatron, Fitzgerald) is in order.

JG is going to get tagged because neither side is going to cave to the other this early in the game. So honestly until the tag, the grievance, and the appeal are all done, JG's value cannot yet be determined. It's likely that if he's tagged as TE that the average salary will be closer to $8 million. If the WR tag stands after appeal, then that's an entirely different discussion.

SFIAH

ClintSaints · 02-27-2014, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

He isn't worth $12 million a year. Everyone, including Jimmy and his agent know that. No team will pay that kind of money. So that point is moot.

The real question is what is he worth?

1) The TE tag is somewhere are $6.5 million a year right?

2) Gronk's contract is 8 years $55 million. Technically that's about $7 million a year. But only $13 million of it is guaranteed up to 2016 (with the addition of a $10 million option bonus if the Pats decide to take him on until 2020).

3) The WR tag is $11.5 million per year.

It's pretty easy to argue that JG is the best TE in the game. But he isn't a WR. So it would seem reasonable that something that's better than Gronk's contract, but less than a premier WR contract (Megatron, Fitzgerald) is in order.

JG is going to get tagged because neither side is going to cave to the other this early in the game. So honestly until the tag, the grievance, and the appeal are all done, JG's value cannot yet be determined. It's likely that if he's tagged as TE that the average salary will be closer to $8 million. If the WR tag stands after appeal, then that's an entirely different discussion.

SFIAH

I thought Gronk's contract was six years, $53 million.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-27-2014, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

He isn't worth $12 million a year. Everyone, including Jimmy and his agent know that. No team will pay that kind of money. So that point is moot.

The real question is what is he worth?

1) The TE tag is somewhere are $6.5 million a year right?

2) Gronk's contract is 8 years $55 million. Technically that's about $7 million a year. But only $13 million of it is guaranteed up to 2016 (with the addition of a $10 million option bonus if the Pats decide to take him on until 2020).

SFIAH

Originally Posted by ClintSaints

I thought Gronk's contract was six years, $53 million.

Rob Gronkowski Salary Cap, Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & News Profile

It's so heavily backloaded that the last two years would likely not be paid (or restructured). But as signed it is an 8 year contract if you include option years.

NFL contracts are smoke and mirrors. The only numbers that are real are the signing bonus and the annual salary numbers. Any team can cut any player pretty much at any time during the contract as long as they are willing to eat the dead money over a year (or two). In short a 5 year/$50 million contract with $30 million in salary in the last 2 years and a $15 million signing bonus really isn't a $50 million contract. It's a 3 year/$20 million contract because the player will be cut after year three when the salary escalates.

SFIAH

02-27-2014, 09:49 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SapperSaint I just don't want to see our team get wrapped up "with millions of dollars" in only a couple of players. I have no doubt that if a deal can get done, Loomis will get it done. I just don't want us cutting our nose off despite our face. To me, Jimmy isn't worth $12 Million a year. He isn't worth $12 million a year. Everyone, including Jimmy and his agent know that. No team will pay that kind of money. So that point is moot. The real question is what is he worth? 1) The TE tag is somewhere are $6.5 million a year right? 2) Gronk's contract is 8 years $55 million. Technically that's about $7 million a year. But only $13 million of it is guaranteed up to 2016 (with the addition of a $10 million option bonus if the Pats decide to take him on until 2020). 3) The WR tag is $11.5 million per year. It's pretty easy to argue that JG is the best TE in the game. But he isn't a WR. So it would seem reasonable that something that's better than Gronk's contract, but less than a premier WR contract (Megatron, Fitzgerald) is in order. JG is going to get tagged because neither side is going to cave to the other this early in the game. So honestly until the tag, the grievance, and the appeal are all done, JG's value cannot yet be determined. It's likely that if he's tagged as TE that the average salary will be closer to $8 million. If the WR tag stands after appeal, then that's an entirely different discussion. SFIAH B_Dub_Saint likes this.
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02-27-2014, 11:18 AM	#2
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL He isn't worth $12 million a year. Everyone, including Jimmy and his agent know that. No team will pay that kind of money. So that point is moot. The real question is what is he worth? 1) The TE tag is somewhere are $6.5 million a year right? 2) Gronk's contract is 8 years $55 million. Technically that's about $7 million a year. But only $13 million of it is guaranteed up to 2016 (with the addition of a $10 million option bonus if the Pats decide to take him on until 2020). 3) The WR tag is $11.5 million per year. It's pretty easy to argue that JG is the best TE in the game. But he isn't a WR. So it would seem reasonable that something that's better than Gronk's contract, but less than a premier WR contract (Megatron, Fitzgerald) is in order. JG is going to get tagged because neither side is going to cave to the other this early in the game. So honestly until the tag, the grievance, and the appeal are all done, JG's value cannot yet be determined. It's likely that if he's tagged as TE that the average salary will be closer to $8 million. If the WR tag stands after appeal, then that's an entirely different discussion. SFIAH I thought Gronk's contract was six years, $53 million.

02-27-2014, 11:34 AM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL He isn't worth $12 million a year. Everyone, including Jimmy and his agent know that. No team will pay that kind of money. So that point is moot. The real question is what is he worth? 1) The TE tag is somewhere are $6.5 million a year right? 2) Gronk's contract is 8 years $55 million. Technically that's about $7 million a year. But only $13 million of it is guaranteed up to 2016 (with the addition of a $10 million option bonus if the Pats decide to take him on until 2020). SFIAH Originally Posted by ClintSaints I thought Gronk's contract was six years, $53 million. Rob Gronkowski Salary Cap, Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & News Profile It's so heavily backloaded that the last two years would likely not be paid (or restructured). But as signed it is an 8 year contract if you include option years. NFL contracts are smoke and mirrors. The only numbers that are real are the signing bonus and the annual salary numbers. Any team can cut any player pretty much at any time during the contract as long as they are willing to eat the dead money over a year (or two). In short a 5 year/$50 million contract with $30 million in salary in the last 2 years and a $15 million signing bonus really isn't a $50 million contract. It's a 3 year/$20 million contract because the player will be cut after year three when the salary escalates. SFIAH
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