NFL Designates Graham... TE

foreverfan · 03-04-2014, 02:06 AM

Take that Jimmy...

jnormand · 03-04-2014, 02:55 AM

Not upset by this. IMO he is a TE. A very gifted one, but a TE no less. I know Jimmy will sign with us. But if he chooses to go elsewhere then we get we picks. I see a very long hold out here. Probably until July or August. If I'm wrong great.

Let's get real tho. Jimmy is a big part of the offense. Do we NEED him? No. Do we WANT him? Yes. Does he make us better? Yes. Does Drew make him better? Absolutely.

They will work out a deal and Jimmy will get signed for the next 5 years. It'll just take most of the off season to do.

halloween 65 · 03-04-2014, 05:23 AM

Things might be looking up!! Some team might offer 7.5 and 2 picks. I could go with a player from another team and 1 first rd. pick.

ProMallNinja · 03-04-2014, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Not upset by this. IMO he is a TE. A very gifted one, but a TE no less. I know Jimmy will sign with us. But if he chooses to go elsewhere then we get we picks. I see a very long hold out here. Probably until July or August. If I'm wrong great.

Let's get real tho. Jimmy is a big part of the offense. Do we NEED him? No. Do we WANT him? Yes. Does he make us better? Yes. Does Drew make him better? Absolutely.

They will work out a deal and Jimmy will get signed for the next 5 years. It'll just take most of the off season to do.

I'm pretty sure that they only have until July to hammer out a long term deal. After that, his only options are to sign the franchise tag and play it out or not play at all....

saintsfan1976 · 03-04-2014, 06:03 AM

Send him to Buffalo for Jarius Byrd and a 1st round pick this year.

dizzle88 · 03-04-2014, 06:05 AM

Seen as his tag is 7M, I could honestly see a team coming in and offering him 9-10 mil, if they were willing to give up two firsts

Come on Oakland, make the call!

halloween 65 · 03-04-2014, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Send him to Buffalo for Jarius Byrd and a 1st round pick this year.

I love the thought and who knows what can happen but I believe Byrd will want to much money, although he would look great in black and gold if he would take a discount for a contender.

TheOak · 03-04-2014, 07:40 AM

Teams are very apprehensive to trade for Franchise Tagged players, at the minimum they know that they are trading for a player that was tagged because he refused to meet his team in the middle somewhere and had to be tagged to keep him. Its a huge yellow/gray area.

As a GM you would be the laughing stock of the NFL and probably fired if you traded to get Graham and then once he showed up you couldn't get a deal done because he decided he wants 60m for 5 years and 34m of it has to be upfront to prevent you from back loaded it so he only gets 10m before you are showing him the door.

saintsfan1976 · 03-04-2014, 08:25 AM

I thought of the connection w Doug Marrone and him needing a go to for his young QB. I wouldn't consider it any more risky than drafting a TE in round 1 which is essentially what they're getting with Graham

xan · 03-04-2014, 08:31 AM

a first right of refusal (not a right of first refusal, as some of you may mistakenly call it) pretty much ends discussion by another team. If you know your bid will be second best, there is nothing to be gained unless your a division opponent to making a bid. Given that our division is kinda playing on the edge with cap, I seriously doubt that they would risk devastating their franchise by playing chicken with the Saints. Even then, the FROR would keep them blocked, then signal to the rest of the team that the franchise can be blackmailed.

Jimmy gots ta negotiate reality, not fantasy.

03-04-2014, 02:06 AM	#11
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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,661	Re: NFL Designates Graham... TE Not upset by this. IMO he is a TE. A very gifted one, but a TE no less. I know Jimmy will sign with us. But if he chooses to go elsewhere then we get we picks. I see a very long hold out here. Probably until July or August. If I'm wrong great. Let's get real tho. Jimmy is a big part of the offense. Do we NEED him? No. Do we WANT him? Yes. Does he make us better? Yes. Does Drew make him better? Absolutely. They will work out a deal and Jimmy will get signed for the next 5 years. It'll just take most of the off season to do. hagan714 likes this.

03-04-2014, 05:23 AM	#13
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: NFL Designates Graham... TE Things might be looking up!! Some team might offer 7.5 and 2 picks. I could go with a player from another team and 1 first rd. pick.

03-04-2014, 05:33 AM	#14
ProMallNinja Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: MS Gulf Coast Posts: 242	Re: NFL Designates Graham... TE Originally Posted by jnormand Not upset by this. IMO he is a TE. A very gifted one, but a TE no less. I know Jimmy will sign with us. But if he chooses to go elsewhere then we get we picks. I see a very long hold out here. Probably until July or August. If I'm wrong great. Let's get real tho. Jimmy is a big part of the offense. Do we NEED him? No. Do we WANT him? Yes. Does he make us better? Yes. Does Drew make him better? Absolutely. They will work out a deal and Jimmy will get signed for the next 5 years. It'll just take most of the off season to do. I'm pretty sure that they only have until July to hammer out a long term deal. After that, his only options are to sign the franchise tag and play it out or not play at all....

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: NFL Designates Graham... TE Seen as his tag is 7M, I could honestly see a team coming in and offering him 9-10 mil, if they were willing to give up two firsts Come on Oakland, make the call! hagan714 and Rugby Saint II like this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: NFL Designates Graham... TE Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Send him to Buffalo for Jarius Byrd and a 1st round pick this year. I love the thought and who knows what can happen but I believe Byrd will want to much money, although he would look great in black and gold if he would take a discount for a contender.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL Designates Graham... TE I thought of the connection w Doug Marrone and him needing a go to for his young QB. I wouldn't consider it any more risky than drafting a TE in round 1 which is essentially what they're getting with Graham

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xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Re: NFL Designates Graham... TE a first right of refusal (not a right of first refusal, as some of you may mistakenly call it) pretty much ends discussion by another team. If you know your bid will be second best, there is nothing to be gained unless your a division opponent to making a bid. Given that our division is kinda playing on the edge with cap, I seriously doubt that they would risk devastating their franchise by playing chicken with the Saints. Even then, the FROR would keep them blocked, then signal to the rest of the team that the franchise can be blackmailed. Jimmy gots ta negotiate reality, not fantasy. foreverfan likes this.
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