PT not going after all?

03-10-2014, 12:01 AM

Till Ingram and Robinson can prove they can pick up a blitz it would be the stupidest move the saints could make. look at what happened to drew last year. he got hammered like never before as a saint. now take his best blocking back away? well then again i was amazed the saints let the OL fall so far into the dumps since the super bowl, many saw it falling apart yet the saints did nothing.so what the heck lets get rid of a pT and pray to god drew makes through the season

nycsaintfan · 03-10-2014, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Till Ingram and Robinson can prove they can pick up a blitz it would be the stupidest move the saints could make. look at what happened to drew last year. he got hammered like never before as a saint. now take his best blocking back away? well then again i was amazed the saints let the OL fall so far into the dumps since the super bowl, many saw it falling apart yet the saints did nothing.so what the heck lets get rid of a pT and pray to god drew makes through the season

Hagan, I agree the offensive line has fallen in ability this past season. But Thomas is not going to make it any better if he is on the roster next season. I don't think I would have a problem with Thomas on the roster if his price tag was not as high as it is. If you are going to pay Thomas a couple of million, and he is not starting, I don't think it's the right way for a team in the cap situation that the Saints are in to utilize $2+million dollars. Consider their are potential openings at other positions as well, I'd rather see the Saints go all in on both Ingram and Robinson and take the $2m and use it to sign another corner and or another back like McCluster who fills the role that both Bush and Sproles filled the past 8 years.

I just think every dollar counts right now...

amazin15 · 03-10-2014, 12:54 AM

Thomas is the best all around back on the team, he's the best blocking back, and he's probably the back Drew trusts the most. With questions about the line, and possible rookies starting we need to keep him to help with blitz pickups and protection.

Jack Vegas · 03-10-2014, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by nycsaintfan

I'm more than likely in the minority on this but I think it is time to make some moves with the roster. If we were going to keep a veteran running back around it would have been Sproles. If the idea is to improve our running game, and move to a power running game then Ingram and Robinson are the guys to go with. As much as I like Thomas, and what he has done for the organization, 3.7 yards a rush is 3.7 yards a rush. It just won't cut it moving forward.

You're forgetting about pass catching. Those screen plays are a HUGE part of this offense and PT is probably the best screen back in the NFL.

I really liked what Ingram did late last year, but even at his best he is not a very good safety valve, much less dangerous on screen plays. We can't forget that on the Saints running backs are just as important in the passing game as they are running the ball.

I think Payton is very aware of this and that is why we will keep PT around.

nycsaintfan · 03-10-2014, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

You're forgetting about pass catching. Those screen plays are a HUGE part of this offense and PT is probably the best screen back in the NFL.

I really liked what Ingram did late last year, but even at his best he is not a very good safety valve, much less dangerous on screen plays. We can't forget that on the Saints running backs are just as important in the passing game as they are running the ball.

I think Payton is very aware of this and that is why we will keep PT around.

Jack, lets take it a step futher... I agree the screen game is a big part of the Payton offense. Would you rather Thomas? Or a younger play maker in say a Dexter McCluster? Again, I think Khairy Robinson plays a much bigger role in this off-season. Where is his development, and what kind of hands does this kid have? We still don't know who this kid is, and what he really brings to the table.

Bill Parcells used the comparison of Curtis Martin with Robinson. If his game is similar, then I think Loomis and Payton have a pretty good idea as to what they have in Khairy.

TheOak · 03-10-2014, 09:23 AM

This game is all about matchups, when Loomis/Payton let Sproles who is arguably one of the biggest matchup people in the NFL go you can rest assured it wasn't a move they wanted to do or feel good about.

They are HARD against the cap.

A decision was made, one that involved Jimmy Graham in one hand and Sproles/Moore/PT in another.

You cant get young, keep veterans, draft talent, keep Graham, and get better all at the same time. There are limits to both Spending and Roster.. Something has to give.

I am shocked at how many people are shocked. There have been plenty of discussions about all of the mentioned players moving on this year and i know I wasn't the only one to read them or comment on them.

burningmetal · 03-10-2014, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Not likely. Both Ingram and Robinson averaged a higher yards per carry on far fewer carries. I love Pierre but his time has come and gone. It happens to everyone.

Saying that Robinson and Ingram averaged more yards per carry on far fewer carries kind of works against your own opinion of Thomas. Because that's just it... Those two guys had far fewer carries. I do very much like what Robinson brings to the table, and Ingram finally had a few good moments (still need to see more consistency out of him) but you don't know how they would have done with more carries.

Those guys tended to get more carries when games were out of hand and we had worn down the opposition, whereas Thomas was the guy being counted on to do the aforementioned wearing down. Plus he's a great receiver as opposed to Ingram being very one dimensional, and I frankly don't know yet what kind of receiver Robinson is.

PT is still very valuable at a cheap cost, in my opinion.

pinch · 03-10-2014, 10:59 AM

I say trying to keep our best back is a no-brainer.

blackangold · 03-10-2014, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Saying that Robinson and Ingram averaged more yards per carry on far fewer carries kind of works against your own opinion of Thomas. Because that's just it... Those two guys had far fewer carries. I do very much like what Robinson brings to the table, and Ingram finally had a few good moments (still need to see more consistency out of him) but you don't know how they would have done with more carries.

Those guys tended to get more carries when games were out of hand and we had worn down the opposition, whereas Thomas was the guy being counted on to do the aforementioned wearing down. Plus he's a great receiver as opposed to Ingram being very one dimensional, and I frankly don't know yet what kind of receiver Robinson is.

PT is still very valuable at a cheap cost, in my opinion.

Our running game only just got going when PT stopped getting the ball. i love PT just as much as the next guy but he lost a step this year. Some argue he had his best year but ill argue it was his worst. Lowest YPC and lowest YPR of his career.

Part of losing Sproles and possibly PT is a changing philosophy. I think Payton looked back on the year and realized he was too predictable and most of that centered around formations and the backs he used in them. We need to get back to a strong PA which means a strong running game which needs a back that can pound the rock. Sproles was always a key that it was a passing play and Ingram was always the key that it was a run and when PT was in you keep an eye out for the screen. Far to predictable because of the way we used our backs. Now that Sproles and PT (maybe) are gone what do you key in on?

hagan714 · 03-10-2014, 01:54 PM

I fear we have found a trade for PT. looking for a draft day deal if one is made. last year on a basically cheap contract and being one of the better all around backs in the nfl i would not be surprised.

I will stick by my guns and say that PT departure will hurt more than most people realize. If he does leave Drew will be wishing he stayed ever time he is peeling himself off the turf.

03-10-2014, 12:01 AM	#11
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03-10-2014, 12:37 AM	#12
nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: PT not going after all? Originally Posted by hagan714 Till Ingram and Robinson can prove they can pick up a blitz it would be the stupidest move the saints could make. look at what happened to drew last year. he got hammered like never before as a saint. now take his best blocking back away? well then again i was amazed the saints let the OL fall so far into the dumps since the super bowl, many saw it falling apart yet the saints did nothing.so what the heck lets get rid of a pT and pray to god drew makes through the season Hagan, I agree the offensive line has fallen in ability this past season. But Thomas is not going to make it any better if he is on the roster next season. I don't think I would have a problem with Thomas on the roster if his price tag was not as high as it is. If you are going to pay Thomas a couple of million, and he is not starting, I don't think it's the right way for a team in the cap situation that the Saints are in to utilize $2+million dollars. Consider their are potential openings at other positions as well, I'd rather see the Saints go all in on both Ingram and Robinson and take the $2m and use it to sign another corner and or another back like McCluster who fills the role that both Bush and Sproles filled the past 8 years. I just think every dollar counts right now...
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03-10-2014, 12:54 AM	#13
amazin15 Registered Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Monroe, LA Posts: 98	Re: PT not going after all? Thomas is the best all around back on the team, he's the best blocking back, and he's probably the back Drew trusts the most. With questions about the line, and possible rookies starting we need to keep him to help with blitz pickups and protection. Rugby Saint II likes this.

03-10-2014, 12:55 AM	#14
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: PT not going after all? Originally Posted by nycsaintfan I'm more than likely in the minority on this but I think it is time to make some moves with the roster. If we were going to keep a veteran running back around it would have been Sproles. If the idea is to improve our running game, and move to a power running game then Ingram and Robinson are the guys to go with. As much as I like Thomas, and what he has done for the organization, 3.7 yards a rush is 3.7 yards a rush. It just won't cut it moving forward. You're forgetting about pass catching. Those screen plays are a HUGE part of this offense and PT is probably the best screen back in the NFL. I really liked what Ingram did late last year, but even at his best he is not a very good safety valve, much less dangerous on screen plays. We can't forget that on the Saints running backs are just as important in the passing game as they are running the ball. I think Payton is very aware of this and that is why we will keep PT around.
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03-10-2014, 01:06 AM	#15
nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: PT not going after all? Originally Posted by Jack Vegas You're forgetting about pass catching. Those screen plays are a HUGE part of this offense and PT is probably the best screen back in the NFL. I really liked what Ingram did late last year, but even at his best he is not a very good safety valve, much less dangerous on screen plays. We can't forget that on the Saints running backs are just as important in the passing game as they are running the ball. I think Payton is very aware of this and that is why we will keep PT around. Jack, lets take it a step futher... I agree the screen game is a big part of the Payton offense. Would you rather Thomas? Or a younger play maker in say a Dexter McCluster? Again, I think Khairy Robinson plays a much bigger role in this off-season. Where is his development, and what kind of hands does this kid have? We still don't know who this kid is, and what he really brings to the table. Bill Parcells used the comparison of Curtis Martin with Robinson. If his game is similar, then I think Loomis and Payton have a pretty good idea as to what they have in Khairy.
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03-10-2014, 09:55 AM	#17
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PT not going after all? Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 Not likely. Both Ingram and Robinson averaged a higher yards per carry on far fewer carries. I love Pierre but his time has come and gone. It happens to everyone. Saying that Robinson and Ingram averaged more yards per carry on far fewer carries kind of works against your own opinion of Thomas. Because that's just it... Those two guys had far fewer carries. I do very much like what Robinson brings to the table, and Ingram finally had a few good moments (still need to see more consistency out of him) but you don't know how they would have done with more carries. Those guys tended to get more carries when games were out of hand and we had worn down the opposition, whereas Thomas was the guy being counted on to do the aforementioned wearing down. Plus he's a great receiver as opposed to Ingram being very one dimensional, and I frankly don't know yet what kind of receiver Robinson is. PT is still very valuable at a cheap cost, in my opinion. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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03-10-2014, 10:59 AM	#18
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03-10-2014, 01:32 PM	#19
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: PT not going after all? Originally Posted by burningmetal Saying that Robinson and Ingram averaged more yards per carry on far fewer carries kind of works against your own opinion of Thomas. Because that's just it... Those two guys had far fewer carries. I do very much like what Robinson brings to the table, and Ingram finally had a few good moments (still need to see more consistency out of him) but you don't know how they would have done with more carries. Those guys tended to get more carries when games were out of hand and we had worn down the opposition, whereas Thomas was the guy being counted on to do the aforementioned wearing down. Plus he's a great receiver as opposed to Ingram being very one dimensional, and I frankly don't know yet what kind of receiver Robinson is. PT is still very valuable at a cheap cost, in my opinion. Our running game only just got going when PT stopped getting the ball. i love PT just as much as the next guy but he lost a step this year. Some argue he had his best year but ill argue it was his worst. Lowest YPC and lowest YPR of his career. Part of losing Sproles and possibly PT is a changing philosophy. I think Payton looked back on the year and realized he was too predictable and most of that centered around formations and the backs he used in them. We need to get back to a strong PA which means a strong running game which needs a back that can pound the rock. Sproles was always a key that it was a passing play and Ingram was always the key that it was a run and when PT was in you keep an eye out for the screen. Far to predictable because of the way we used our backs. Now that Sproles and PT (maybe) are gone what do you key in on?

03-10-2014, 01:54 PM	#20
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: PT not going after all? I fear we have found a trade for PT. looking for a draft day deal if one is made. last year on a basically cheap contract and being one of the better all around backs in the nfl i would not be surprised. I will stick by my guns and say that PT departure will hurt more than most people realize. If he does leave Drew will be wishing he stayed ever time he is peeling himself off the turf. Rugby Saint II and Utah_Saint like this.
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