Why Saints asked Byrd out on 'date'

hagan714 · 03-28-2014, 07:31 AM

"Kenny played in a lot of spots last year. I think he'll play in less of those spots this year. ... That vision this year will be a little more clearer."

There is the impact of this signing. next up who will do that slot work? Kenny? or will there be some activity in the CB rotation?

i love this signing. see it pays to ask that beauty for a date after all.

jeanpierre · 03-28-2014, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

"Kenny played in a lot of spots last year. I think he'll play in less of those spots this year. ... That vision this year will be a little more clearer."

There is the impact of this signing. next up who will do that slot work? Kenny? or will there be some activity in the CB rotation?

i love this signing. see it pays to ask that beauty for a date after all.

I like Corey White's size for doing that; White was even projected as a Strong Safety at one point during the draft process...

halloween 65 · 03-28-2014, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

"Kenny played in a lot of spots last year. I think he'll play in less of those spots this year. ... That vision this year will be a little more clearer."

There is the impact of this signing. next up who will do that slot work? Kenny? or will there be some activity in the CB rotation?

i love this signing. see it pays to ask that beauty for a date after all.

Good question about the slot. I've been running things in my head about the 3 S set. With basically 2 SS and 1 FS I'm thinking that with our DL that we have, that a cover ILB may not be needed but another thumper added in with Lofton in the middle to stop the run with White and a SS sliding down to controll the slot. This 3-3-5 look can be carried out a long way. I'm starting to think another SS being added with another DT. If we go thumper ILB I want Andrew Jackson. SS Calvin Pryor(can play FS if Byrd goes down) . Hageman in DT would give us the best DL in the NFL. Rob Ryan has confused my normal thought process altogether, that guy is smart. I know we will give a bunch of different looks 4-3,3-4,3-3-5 but with a few more solid additions our D could really be a top D. Last year our D played well and as the stats give( stats I don't think tell the story of things) our secondary a #4 ranking I would totally disagree with that and our lb. ranking much higher than they should have been, Ryan was able to hide some of our weaknesses for quite some times, this season we might actually be in the top 10 in real life not stats.

|Mitch| · 03-28-2014, 09:34 AM

stats = real life

just like points per game(4th w/ 19 per game); doesn't get more "real" than that

TheOak · 03-28-2014, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

stats = real life

just like points per game(4th w/ 19 per game); doesn't get more "real" than that

Agreed!

Points/game and time on the field are the real litmus tests for a defense. Yards stat gets blurred depending on score or that pesky bend but do not break prevent defense that normally breaks..

I like to look at the end of a previous season to get a feel for the start of a new season.. Players lost/gained, and points allowed.

Last 6 games including the playoffs as 2 of that 6 we allowed:
20.16 points per game
150.6 yards passing/game
113 yards/game rushing
6 rushing TDs Allowed
8 passing TDs Allowed
With the addition of Byrd and a ROLB we are already a better defense than we ended last year as.

This is just my personal opinion but as you get better as a defense, each incremental gain after Top5 becomes logarithmic and we should be careful of not selling the farm to gain a spot or two. We pick up a LB and a Corner and everything else goes to offense.

hagan714 · 03-28-2014, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I'm thinking that with our DL that we have, that a cover ILB may not be needed but another thumper added in with Lofton in the middle to stop the run with White and a SS sliding down to controll the slot.

amazing how a single addition changes thing up. but that freaking area in the seam between ILB and nickle CB drove me nuts all year. ok a pet peeve of mine all of the off season. I think your right we can get away with it but i would love to see the saints seal that route for good. ILB IMO is what the QB keys off in that route against us. either a fast quick CB or a ILB that is also quicker and faster in coverage would do it on those passing downs. but i think we can minimize the pain with what we got

Originally Posted by halloween 65

This 3-3-5 look can be carried out a long way. I'm starting to think another SS being added with another DT. If we go thumper ILB I want Andrew Jackson. SS Calvin Pryor(can play FS if Byrd goes down) . Hageman in DT would give us the best DL in the NFL. Rob Ryan has confused my normal thought process altogether, that guy is smart. I know we will give a bunch of different looks 4-3,3-4,3-3-5 but with a few more solid additions our D could really be a top D.

You really like the kid out of Western Kentucky, Andrew Jackson. you have brought him up more than once.

SS Calvin Pryor would that be sweet if he fell into our laps?
Deone Bucannon would be a great pick up also in round 2
Brock Vereen Minnesota in the late rounds might be a great steel

Hageman DT/DE - solidify the rotation for sure.

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Last year our D played well and as the stats give( stats I don't think tell the story of things) our secondary a #4 ranking I would totally disagree with that and our lb. ranking much higher than they should have been, Ryan was able to hide some of our weaknesses for quite some times, this season we might actually be in the top 10 in real life not stats.

i have to agree with that statement. he hid them well till he played coaches that knew him. Pats and Jets for example. the defense is a work in progress for sure. a few pieces here and there and we might have something really special.

halloween 65 · 03-28-2014, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

amazing how a single addition changes thing up. but that freaking area in the seam between ILB and nickle CB drove me nuts all year. ok a pet peeve of mine all of the off season. I think your right we can get away with it but i would love to see the saints seal that route for good. ILB IMO is what the QB keys off in that route against us. either a fast quick CB or a ILB that is also quicker and faster in coverage would do it on those passing downs. but i think we can minimize the pain with what we got

You really like the kid out of Western Kentucky, Andrew Jackson. you have brought him up more than once.

SS Calvin Pryor would that be sweet if he feel into our laps?

Hageman DT - solidify the rotation for sure.

i have to agree with that statement. he hid them well till he played coaches that knew him. Pats and Jets for example. the defense is a work in progress for sure. a few pieces here and there and we might have something really special.

I'm looking at it this way, if you can't seal the seam when they make the play you have 2 punishing ILB to make them pay for it + hard to run on. It drives me nuts to, a weak area that needs fixed. I know Pryor is a big if falling to us but I have the option of playing with house money.

03-28-2014, 07:31 AM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Why Saints asked Byrd out on 'date' "Kenny played in a lot of spots last year. I think he'll play in less of those spots this year. ... That vision this year will be a little more clearer." There is the impact of this signing. next up who will do that slot work? Kenny? or will there be some activity in the CB rotation? i love this signing. see it pays to ask that beauty for a date after all.

03-28-2014, 08:25 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Saints asked Byrd out on 'date' Originally Posted by hagan714 "Kenny played in a lot of spots last year. I think he'll play in less of those spots this year. ... That vision this year will be a little more clearer." There is the impact of this signing. next up who will do that slot work? Kenny? or will there be some activity in the CB rotation? i love this signing. see it pays to ask that beauty for a date after all. I like Corey White's size for doing that; White was even projected as a Strong Safety at one point during the draft process... hagan714 and saintsfan1976 like this.

03-28-2014, 09:10 AM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Why Saints asked Byrd out on 'date' Originally Posted by hagan714 "Kenny played in a lot of spots last year. I think he'll play in less of those spots this year. ... That vision this year will be a little more clearer." There is the impact of this signing. next up who will do that slot work? Kenny? or will there be some activity in the CB rotation? i love this signing. see it pays to ask that beauty for a date after all. Good question about the slot. I've been running things in my head about the 3 S set. With basically 2 SS and 1 FS I'm thinking that with our DL that we have, that a cover ILB may not be needed but another thumper added in with Lofton in the middle to stop the run with White and a SS sliding down to controll the slot. This 3-3-5 look can be carried out a long way. I'm starting to think another SS being added with another DT. If we go thumper ILB I want Andrew Jackson. SS Calvin Pryor(can play FS if Byrd goes down) . Hageman in DT would give us the best DL in the NFL. Rob Ryan has confused my normal thought process altogether, that guy is smart. I know we will give a bunch of different looks 4-3,3-4,3-3-5 but with a few more solid additions our D could really be a top D. Last year our D played well and as the stats give( stats I don't think tell the story of things) our secondary a #4 ranking I would totally disagree with that and our lb. ranking much higher than they should have been, Ryan was able to hide some of our weaknesses for quite some times, this season we might actually be in the top 10 in real life not stats. hagan714 likes this.

03-28-2014, 10:27 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Why Saints asked Byrd out on 'date' Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| stats = real life just like points per game(4th w/ 19 per game); doesn't get more "real" than that Agreed! Points/game and time on the field are the real litmus tests for a defense. Yards stat gets blurred depending on score or that pesky bend but do not break prevent defense that normally breaks.. I like to look at the end of a previous season to get a feel for the start of a new season.. Players lost/gained, and points allowed. Last 6 games including the playoffs as 2 of that 6 we allowed: 20.16 points per game 150.6 yards passing/game 113 yards/game rushing 6 rushing TDs Allowed 8 passing TDs Allowed With the addition of Byrd and a ROLB we are already a better defense than we ended last year as. This is just my personal opinion but as you get better as a defense, each incremental gain after Top5 becomes logarithmic and we should be careful of not selling the farm to gain a spot or two. We pick up a LB and a Corner and everything else goes to offense.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

03-28-2014, 09:51 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Why Saints asked Byrd out on 'date' Originally Posted by halloween 65 I'm thinking that with our DL that we have, that a cover ILB may not be needed but another thumper added in with Lofton in the middle to stop the run with White and a SS sliding down to controll the slot. amazing how a single addition changes thing up. but that freaking area in the seam between ILB and nickle CB drove me nuts all year. ok a pet peeve of mine all of the off season. I think your right we can get away with it but i would love to see the saints seal that route for good. ILB IMO is what the QB keys off in that route against us. either a fast quick CB or a ILB that is also quicker and faster in coverage would do it on those passing downs. but i think we can minimize the pain with what we got Originally Posted by halloween 65 This 3-3-5 look can be carried out a long way. I'm starting to think another SS being added with another DT. If we go thumper ILB I want Andrew Jackson. SS Calvin Pryor(can play FS if Byrd goes down) . Hageman in DT would give us the best DL in the NFL. Rob Ryan has confused my normal thought process altogether, that guy is smart. I know we will give a bunch of different looks 4-3,3-4,3-3-5 but with a few more solid additions our D could really be a top D. You really like the kid out of Western Kentucky, Andrew Jackson. you have brought him up more than once. SS Calvin Pryor would that be sweet if he fell into our laps? Deone Bucannon would be a great pick up also in round 2 Brock Vereen Minnesota in the late rounds might be a great steel Hageman DT/DE - solidify the rotation for sure. Originally Posted by halloween 65 Last year our D played well and as the stats give( stats I don't think tell the story of things) our secondary a #4 ranking I would totally disagree with that and our lb. ranking much higher than they should have been, Ryan was able to hide some of our weaknesses for quite some times, this season we might actually be in the top 10 in real life not stats. i have to agree with that statement. he hid them well till he played coaches that knew him. Pats and Jets for example. the defense is a work in progress for sure. a few pieces here and there and we might have something really special. halloween 65 likes this.
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03-28-2014, 09:34 AM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Why Saints asked Byrd out on 'date' stats = real life just like points per game(4th w/ 19 per game); doesn't get more "real" than that spkb25, hagan714 and TheOak like this.

03-28-2014, 10:09 AM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Why Saints asked Byrd out on 'date' Originally Posted by hagan714 amazing how a single addition changes thing up. but that freaking area in the seam between ILB and nickle CB drove me nuts all year. ok a pet peeve of mine all of the off season. I think your right we can get away with it but i would love to see the saints seal that route for good. ILB IMO is what the QB keys off in that route against us. either a fast quick CB or a ILB that is also quicker and faster in coverage would do it on those passing downs. but i think we can minimize the pain with what we got You really like the kid out of Western Kentucky, Andrew Jackson. you have brought him up more than once. SS Calvin Pryor would that be sweet if he feel into our laps? Hageman DT - solidify the rotation for sure. i have to agree with that statement. he hid them well till he played coaches that knew him. Pats and Jets for example. the defense is a work in progress for sure. a few pieces here and there and we might have something really special. I'm looking at it this way, if you can't seal the seam when they make the play you have 2 punishing ILB to make them pay for it + hard to run on. It drives me nuts to, a weak area that needs fixed. I know Pryor is a big if falling to us but I have the option of playing with house money. hagan714 likes this.

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