Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

My bad, you are correct.

Loomis tendered a guy he wanted to keep on the 6th of March. Bush signs an offer from the Falcons on the 3rd of April, confesses he hopes the Saints do not match the offer on the 4th of April, then Loomis matches the offer on the 7th of April, nearly 24 full hours before the deadline.

That seem correct?

Not quite, nowhere is there any proof that Bush ever stated anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. The ONLY reference to that came from an NFL source. That means either someone from the league office or one of the teams themselves. I seriously doubt the league office would say something like that and the Saints surely wouldn't. Now, who else would have a vested interest in the Saints not matching the deal?

Right!

Only the Falcons!

TheOak · 04-08-2014, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not quite, nowhere is there any proof that Bush ever stated anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. The ONLY reference to that came from an NFL source. That means either someone from the league office or one of the teams themselves. I seriously doubt the league office would say something like that and the Saints surely wouldn't. Now, who else would have a vested interest in the Saints not matching the deal?

Right!

Only the Falcons!

I also have not seen the Falcons offer sheet personally so that was probably a farce also. Is there a video of Dimitroff stating he offered Bush a contract? I do not see a tweet from Bush stating that he did.

Some of these "there is no proof" arguments remind me of Seahawks fans demanding a police report.. Before the internet, nothing happened.

|Mitch| · 04-08-2014, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Before the internet, nothing happened.

I was always told: "Where there's smoke, there's a fire"

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I also have not seen the Falcons offer sheet personally so that was probably a farce also. Is there a video of Dimitroff stating he offered Bush a contract? I do not see a tweet from Bush stating that he did.

Some of these "there is no proof" arguments remind me of Seahawks fans demanding a police report.. Before the internet, nothing happened.

Of course, an offer sheet has to be filed with the league and it was confirmed by many official outlets. The claim that Bush didn't want the Saints to match was solely from one single writer with the Advocate that credited an NFL source alone. There was no confirmation or any other outlet that credited any source as saying the same thing.

But, I am wondering, why are you wanting to believe so badly that Bush doesn't want to be a Saint?

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I was always told: "Where there's smoke, there's a fire"

Sometimes there is smoke being put out there wanting people to believe there is a fire.

|Mitch| · 04-08-2014, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sometimes there is smoke being put out there wanting people to believe there is a fire.

No way to know unless the "league sources" are known... doesn't matter though we have Bush for 2 years regardless

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

No way to know unless the "league sources" are known... doesn't matter though we have Bush for 2 years regardless

As I pointed out earlier, it is pretty easy to figure out who the NFL source is. NFL source would not refer to the player, his agent or the players union. That leaves either the league office or one of the franchises. This would not be a subject you would ever expect the league to speak on. That leaves the team's front offices. It makes no sense for the Saints, or any other franchise, to put this out there. That leaves one solitary plausible source ... the Falcons. Not only would they have the motive, but they would have the access as the Advocate writer would have undoubtedly contacted them regarding the story.

|Mitch| · 04-08-2014, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As I pointed out earlier, it is pretty easy to figure out who the NFL source is. NFL source would not refer to the player, his agent or the players union. That leaves either the league office or one of the franchises. This would not be a subject you would ever expect the league to speak on. That leaves the team's front offices. It makes no sense for the Saints, or any other franchise, to put this out there. That leaves one solitary plausible source ... the Falcons. Not only would they have the motive, but they would have the access as the Advocate writer would have undoubtedly contacted them regarding the story.

Guess that makes it a fact then?

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2014, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Guess that makes it a fact then?

No. But highly likely. What NFL source do you believe it was that said this to the writer and what is your basis for your opinion?

Well?

Occam's Razor.

Jack Vegas · 04-08-2014, 02:55 PM

Here's the deal though: It doesn't really matter whether Bush said it or not. It only matters whether he is willing to play for the Saints at this point.

We are talking about Loomis and Payton here. Do we really think they signed the guy up to come back without making sure everything was on the level?

It probably went something like this:

Mickey Loomis: "Hey Rafael this is Mickey"
Rafael Bush: "yeah, what's up"
ML: "Look here's the deal, if you want to go to the Falcons that's great, we won't match. But I want the chance to change your mind"
RB: "Ok go ahead"

Here's where Rob Ryan comes in, telling him he's an important part of the defense and we're on the verge of a championship, that we need 3 good safeties in this defense, that he'll have the chance to play with freaking studs like Lewis, Vaccaro and Byrd and learn everything he can from a HOFer Champ Bailey, that he'll get the same amount of money and not have to relocate his family, etc. etc. etc. And that the Falcons defense is terrible, has been for years, and there's no reason to suspect anything is about to change anytime in the near future. And besides, didn't they cut you a few years ago anyway?

About this time Bush is beginning to see the light

RB: "Hey Mr. Loomis match the offer, I'm really amped about staying with the Saints"
ML: "Right on, we'll fax you the paperwork right now"

*curtains*

04-08-2014, 01:36 PM	#121
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by TheOak My bad, you are correct. Loomis tendered a guy he wanted to keep on the 6th of March. Bush signs an offer from the Falcons on the 3rd of April, confesses he hopes the Saints do not match the offer on the 4th of April, then Loomis matches the offer on the 7th of April, nearly 24 full hours before the deadline. That seem correct? Not quite, nowhere is there any proof that Bush ever stated anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. The ONLY reference to that came from an NFL source. That means either someone from the league office or one of the teams themselves. I seriously doubt the league office would say something like that and the Saints surely wouldn't. Now, who else would have a vested interest in the Saints not matching the deal? Right! Only the Falcons!

04-08-2014, 02:11 PM	#122
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not quite, nowhere is there any proof that Bush ever stated anything about not wanting the Saints to match the offer. The ONLY reference to that came from an NFL source. That means either someone from the league office or one of the teams themselves. I seriously doubt the league office would say something like that and the Saints surely wouldn't. Now, who else would have a vested interest in the Saints not matching the deal? Right! Only the Falcons! I also have not seen the Falcons offer sheet personally so that was probably a farce also. Is there a video of Dimitroff stating he offered Bush a contract? I do not see a tweet from Bush stating that he did. Some of these "there is no proof" arguments remind me of Seahawks fans demanding a police report.. Before the internet, nothing happened.

04-08-2014, 02:18 PM	#123
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by TheOak Before the internet, nothing happened. I was always told: "Where there's smoke, there's a fire"

04-08-2014, 02:20 PM	#124
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by TheOak I also have not seen the Falcons offer sheet personally so that was probably a farce also. Is there a video of Dimitroff stating he offered Bush a contract? I do not see a tweet from Bush stating that he did. Some of these "there is no proof" arguments remind me of Seahawks fans demanding a police report.. Before the internet, nothing happened. Of course, an offer sheet has to be filed with the league and it was confirmed by many official outlets. The claim that Bush didn't want the Saints to match was solely from one single writer with the Advocate that credited an NFL source alone. There was no confirmation or any other outlet that credited any source as saying the same thing. But, I am wondering, why are you wanting to believe so badly that Bush doesn't want to be a Saint?

04-08-2014, 02:21 PM	#125
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I was always told: "Where there's smoke, there's a fire" Sometimes there is smoke being put out there wanting people to believe there is a fire.

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04-08-2014, 02:28 PM	#126
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Sometimes there is smoke being put out there wanting people to believe there is a fire. No way to know unless the "league sources" are known... doesn't matter though we have Bush for 2 years regardless

04-08-2014, 02:35 PM	#127
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| No way to know unless the "league sources" are known... doesn't matter though we have Bush for 2 years regardless As I pointed out earlier, it is pretty easy to figure out who the NFL source is. NFL source would not refer to the player, his agent or the players union. That leaves either the league office or one of the franchises. This would not be a subject you would ever expect the league to speak on. That leaves the team's front offices. It makes no sense for the Saints, or any other franchise, to put this out there. That leaves one solitary plausible source ... the Falcons. Not only would they have the motive, but they would have the access as the Advocate writer would have undoubtedly contacted them regarding the story.

04-08-2014, 02:39 PM	#128
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by AsylumGuido As I pointed out earlier, it is pretty easy to figure out who the NFL source is. NFL source would not refer to the player, his agent or the players union. That leaves either the league office or one of the franchises. This would not be a subject you would ever expect the league to speak on. That leaves the team's front offices. It makes no sense for the Saints, or any other franchise, to put this out there. That leaves one solitary plausible source ... the Falcons. Not only would they have the motive, but they would have the access as the Advocate writer would have undoubtedly contacted them regarding the story. Guess that makes it a fact then?

04-08-2014, 02:49 PM	#129
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Guess that makes it a fact then? No. But highly likely. What NFL source do you believe it was that said this to the writer and what is your basis for your opinion? Well? Occam's Razor.

04-08-2014, 02:55 PM	#130
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Rafael Bush Signs Offer Sheet Here's the deal though: It doesn't really matter whether Bush said it or not. It only matters whether he is willing to play for the Saints at this point. We are talking about Loomis and Payton here. Do we really think they signed the guy up to come back without making sure everything was on the level? It probably went something like this: Mickey Loomis: "Hey Rafael this is Mickey" Rafael Bush: "yeah, what's up" ML: "Look here's the deal, if you want to go to the Falcons that's great, we won't match. But I want the chance to change your mind" RB: "Ok go ahead" Here's where Rob Ryan comes in, telling him he's an important part of the defense and we're on the verge of a championship, that we need 3 good safeties in this defense, that he'll have the chance to play with freaking studs like Lewis, Vaccaro and Byrd and learn everything he can from a HOFer Champ Bailey, that he'll get the same amount of money and not have to relocate his family, etc. etc. etc. And that the Falcons defense is terrible, has been for years, and there's no reason to suspect anything is about to change anytime in the near future. And besides, didn't they cut you a few years ago anyway? About this time Bush is beginning to see the light RB: "Hey Mr. Loomis match the offer, I'm really amped about staying with the Saints" ML: "Right on, we'll fax you the paperwork right now" curtains Halo, SmashMouth and brees84 like this.
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