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The Dude 04-06-2014 04:50 PM

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All the changes we have made this season makes me fell very excited about the upcoming season. I think we have made some great moves in FA so far and will soon get a deal done with JG. Our defense does not worry me one bit.
One thing I think a lot of people are not commenting on is our WR position. I think everyone knows its a need, but I think it is a major need. I think we could possible be in trouble there.
All we have is basically two starters at the WR position and one of them is a TE and the other a possession receiver. Both Colton and Jimmy are great but they both have had their injury problems and Colston is getting old. After that there is a huge drop off. Stills looks promising but has only been in the league one year. I don't know how comfortable I would be if Colston went down and he had to start in his place. Joe Morgan is the same way. He showed flashes but is still sort of an unknown.
If JG or Colton or got forbid both go down we will be screwed. I know we will go WR in the draft at some point but rarely do you get a rookie WR that is a great contributor his first year.

IDk maybe I am just used to seeing 3 or 4 guys out there I know they can count on to step up.

|Mitch| 04-06-2014 05:02 PM

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Like always; someone will step up and take the place. Nick Toon perhaps...

K Major 04-06-2014 05:25 PM

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Hopefully Toon has a better camp and has worked on his mechanics this off season.

CheramieIII 04-06-2014 07:59 PM

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I think we have a good receiving corps but I'm not counting on Colston. I might even think about trading into the 1st round for another pick. Maybe our 1st next year and a sixth and 7th this year to get a wr and de/olb that can make an immediate impact

saintshrimp 04-06-2014 08:01 PM

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I just hope they don't decide to draft Margise Lee. Pretty much Every USC WR in the last 10-20 yrs have been huge disappointments that includes Meshawn Johnson. I'd rather them try and trade up and go after Mike Evans from A&M if we go for wr in round one he's the most physical wr I've seen in recent memory.

My real feeling is While I agree we need another WR we need to spread the ball around to our WR's more instead of just looking for Jimmy on every play.I get Jimmy is a mismatch but really try being alittle less predictable in the passing game cause its Jimmy or a screen pass to the back

woody 04-06-2014 08:58 PM

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I said this on another thread, but I'd like to get Kelvin Benjamin. Him, Colston, and Graham, are all really big. I think it would be hard for defenses to match up with that personnel wise.

B_Dub_Saint 04-06-2014 09:32 PM

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OBJ for the win.

The Dude 04-06-2014 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 587239)
Like always; someone will step up and take the place. Nick Toon perhaps...

I'm not ready to say I am giving up on Toon but so far he barely looks like a viable back up.

saintshrimp 04-06-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint (Post 587273)
OBJ for the win.

IMHO I don't see OBJ as a 1st round pick granted there more than likely be will be 3-4 WR picked in the first round but IMHO there is only 2 deserving of 1st round selections that's Watkins and Mike Evans.

Rugby Saint II 04-06-2014 09:45 PM

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Don't forget the UDFA's that the Saints are able to sign. Every year we find a gem. I hope we keep it up.

Crusader 04-06-2014 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 587276)
IMHO I don't see OBJ as a 1st round pick granted there more than likely be will be 3-4 WR picked in the first round but IMHO there is only 2 deserving of 1st round selections that's Watkins and Mike Evans.

With the system we are running and Brees distributing the ball the way he does we don't really need a "pure" 1st round WR. We need somebody that fits a certain position in the offence. It would be nice of course to have somebody like Megatron or Andre Johnson but its no a need.

burningmetal 04-07-2014 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 587276)
IMHO I don't see OBJ as a 1st round pick granted there more than likely be will be 3-4 WR picked in the first round but IMHO there is only 2 deserving of 1st round selections that's Watkins and Mike Evans.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Mike Evans. I've seen a lot of big receivers over the years who everyone said would cause mismatch problems, but they end up just being big lumbering clogs. He's not fast, but more importantly, he isn't very quick. He used his size to his advantage in college, but this isn't college. I don't see a tool in his game that is a separating factor. I might be wrong. That's just the impression I've got from watching him.

I like Beckham's skill set a lot, but he is one of those guys who makes spectacular catches on one play and then drops a wide open pass on the next. Jarvis Landry has the best hands I've ever seen, and I truly mean that. He's not particularly fast, but is quick and refined in his routes. I think he's the safest pick of all the WR's but his lack of top end speed keeps people from talking much about him.

I'm still not sold on picking a WR in the first, though.

voodooido 04-07-2014 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by woody (Post 587269)
I said this on another thread, but I'd like to get Kelvin Benjamin. Him, Colston, and Graham, are all really big. I think it would be hard for defenses to match up with that personnel wise.


They are saying he will move to TE

woody 04-07-2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 587309)
They are saying he will move to TE

Oh really? I hadn't heard that. I follow nfl much closer than college football.

Danno 04-07-2014 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 587309)
They are saying he will move to TE

Who is saying that? I haven't read that yet.

voodooido 04-07-2014 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 587313)
Who is saying that? I haven't read that yet.

Going to a lot of other team sites where they say their team likes him as a TE. Also got some friends that are FSU fans who said because of his size FSU considered moving him to TE. Possibly another JG type, 6'5 240.
Steeler fans seem to love him because he fits that TE hybrid.

SmashMouth 04-07-2014 11:11 AM

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Tanner will make the team this year... and we will pick up plenty of talent in the later rounds. No need to splurge in the early rounds for a WR.

Euphoria 04-07-2014 06:06 PM

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You don't need Evans to be fast or quick.

What you need Evans to do is blow up a CB who is trying to press him at the line and just catch a jump ball over a small CB.

Cruize 04-07-2014 06:09 PM

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Matthews, Adams, Benjamin or Janis would look great in Black and Gold.

nycsaintfan 04-07-2014 07:07 PM

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I still would love to see Cooks fall to us. His production in the Pac-12 is impressive.

burningmetal 04-07-2014 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 587449)
You don't need Evans to be fast or quick.

What you need Evans to do is blow up a CB who is trying to press him at the line and just catch a jump ball over a small CB.

That's called pass interference. You do need quickness. Every good receiver has a skill. You can't just maul people. And he hasn't even shown me that he's THAT physical.

|Mitch| 04-07-2014 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 587496)
That's called pass interference. You do need quickness. Every good receiver has a skill. You can't just maul people. And he hasn't even shown me that he's THAT physical.

Within the first 5 yards it isn't as long as the ball isn't in the air. Vaccaro blew up a couple of slot receivers off the line last year when he pressed and the Seahawks make a living off of it.

The Dude 04-08-2014 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 587503)
Within the first 5 yards it isn't as long as the ball isn't in the air. Vaccaro blew up a couple of slot receivers off the line last year when he pressed and the Seahawks make a living off of it.

Exactly.

halloween 65 04-09-2014 04:54 AM

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I would take the guy as a TE in a heartbeat 6'5 240 on a cheap contract, could be the steal of the draft. I'll take a physical player anyday!!

hagan714 04-09-2014 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by nycsaintfan (Post 587481)
I still would love to see Cooks fall to us. His production in the Pac-12 is impressive.

i can just see SP salivating on ways to get the ball to Cook.

First and for most a WR in round 1 you should have no questions about catching the ball. if drops are part of the history of a WR going into the draft I say pass. We have Toon play from last year to teach us a lesson. Plus need we forget Mechuem? that was a total waste based on hype size and speed. he had it all but drops were the big flag. then you have Henderson. same issue. players like these can be found late in the draft or as UDFA or in the refuse pile of cut players all day long.

We have enough slow big WR already IMO.
Colston will miss his usual 2 to 3 games as he does each year.
Jimmy looks to be ready to do the same each and every year.
Low hits are going to take their toll on the the big slow WR.
Rule changes have shortened the lives of these type of players.

The saints offense is complex so just any WR/TE will not do.

Now can they catch!
next can they handle the NFL tree for WR?
Now comes the physical attributes.
Upside as driving force for a pick is for later in the draft.
Oh yeah almost forgot can they block?


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