Why Rafael Bush is not an upgrade over Thomas DeCoud

Jack Vegas · 04-07-2014, 04:47 PM

The meltdown over at the Falcons board is already in full-on epic mode.

|Mitch| · 04-07-2014, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

The meltdown over at the Falcons board is already in full-on epic mode.

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Posted Today, 03:43 PM
win/win situation for the Falcons. Either we get Bush or push Saints closer to salary cap edge. Dimitroff wins again.

ChrisXVI · 04-07-2014, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

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When will these mouth-breathers realize that THERE ARE NO SALARY CAP CONCERNS AS LONG AS LOOMIS IS IN CHARGE. Jesus, every single off-season we're supposedly screwed because of the salary cap. Is that how pathetic things are in Atlanta now that all they can really celebrate is the Saints cap situation supposedly being bad?!

|Mitch| · 04-07-2014, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

When will these mouth-breathers realize that THERE ARE NO SALARY CAP CONCERNS AS LONG AS LOOMIS IS IN CHARGE. Jesus, every single off-season we're supposedly screwed because of the salary cap. Is that how pathetic things are in Atlanta now that all they can really celebrate is the Saints cap situation supposedly being bad?!

And for Dimitroff to supposedly win again is assuming he has won once, we are what 15-3 against the Falcons since '06 with a SB win?

Jack Vegas · 04-07-2014, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

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Dumbazz Dimitroff should have signed Malcolm Jenkins anyway- not Bush. How much pure flop can this guy do? I mean just fail. Thank God we got Tyson Jackson locked up on day 1 though. I bet the offer sheets were raining down on that guy like Pacman Jones in the strip club.

atltillidie · 04-07-2014, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

When will these mouth-breathers realize that THERE ARE NO SALARY CAP CONCERNS AS LONG AS LOOMIS IS IN CHARGE. Jesus, every single off-season we're supposedly screwed because of the salary cap. Is that how pathetic things are in Atlanta now that all they can really celebrate is the Saints cap situation supposedly being bad?!

I don't know how Loomis does it, but you gotta hand it to him. He is a good GM.

All you can do is just tip your hat to him.

ChrisXVI · 04-07-2014, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

And for Dimitroff to supposedly win again is assuming he has won once, we are what 15-3 against the Falcons since '06 with a SB win?

They're going into the draft needing to solve their O-Line, pass rush, safety and tight end issues all with rookies... Good luck with that! I think Dimitroff could end up being a lot closer to the hot seat than people realize if this upcoming season doesn't come with any postseason success.

atltillidie · 04-07-2014, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

They're going into the draft needing to solve their O-Line, pass rush, safety and tight end issues all with rookies... Good luck with that! I think Dimitroff could end up being a lot closer to the hot seat than people realize if this upcoming season doesn't come with any postseason success.

Everyone knows that this is Dimitroff's last chance as well as Pioli's and Mike Smiths. The only reason TD and Smith weren't fired is because of the 5 winning seasons we had before.

|Mitch| · 04-07-2014, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

They're going into the draft needing to solve their O-Line, pass rush, safety and tight end issues all with rookies... Good luck with that! I think Dimitroff could end up being a lot closer to the hot seat than people realize if this upcoming season doesn't come with any postseason success.

but yet they get a B- from Walter:

Atlanta Falcons: B- Grade
Thomas Dimitroff is often aggressive in free agency, and this spring wasn't any different. The Falcons paid lots of money to three new players, all of whom will help bolster the trenches in some fashion. The big name was Paul Soliai, who will be a great force inside. Jon Asamoah, meanwhile, will help upgrade an offensive line that was in shambles last year.

What's important is that the Falcons are bringing back most of the members of their defense. In fact, the one big-name defender who's gone is Asante Samuel, and he was banged up this past season. Tony Gonzalez has departed as well, but Atlanta couldn't do anything about that. His replacement will have to be drafted.

All in all, this was a decent offseason for Atlanta, though I think Dimitroff overpaid for some players; namely Tyson Jackson.

UPDATE: I'll have an update here for the Devin Hester signing once financials are known.

NFL Free Agent Grades:
Corey Peters, DT, Falcons (re-sign) - A-
Jonathan Babineaux, DT, Falcons (re-sign) - B+
Joe Hawley, C, Falcons (re-sign) - B
Paul Soliai, NT, Dolphins - B-
Devin Hester, KR, Bears - B-
Jon Asamoah, G, Chiefs - C+
Tyson Jackson, DE/DT, Chiefs - C-

here's ours:

New Orleans Saints: B Grade
The Saints went on a cutting spree to open the offseason. They dumped Will Smith, Jabari Greer, Lance Moore and Roman Harper, and then they traded a declining Darren Sproles for a fifth-round pick. All of this was done to retain Jimmy Graham, who was franchised. The Saints were also able to sign Pro Bowler Jairus Byrd and retain Zach Strief, but New Orleans overpaid for both players.

In summary, the Saints had a pretty mediocre offseason. They bolstered their secondary and were able to keep their top weapon, but they lost depth and hurt themselves financially down the road with some bad contracts.

Update: I've upgraded New Orleans' mark for the Champ Bailey signing, which was a quality move.

NFL Free Agent Grades:
Champ Bailey, CB, Broncos - A-
Jairus Byrd, S, Bills - C+
Fifth-round pick for Darren Sproles - C+
Zach Strief, OT, Saints (re-sign) - C-

ChrisXVI · 04-07-2014, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

but yet they get a B- from Walter:

Yeah I never understood why people have been saying the Failclowns had a good offseason... They need O-Line and pass-rush help the most so they sign a guard who was benched last season and 2 run-stopping D-Linemen. Not to mention signing 2 kick returners. So now they have tons of needs to fill going into the draft and that's considered a great offseason?!

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Why Rafael Bush is not an upgrade over Thomas DeCoud Originally Posted by Jack Vegas The meltdown over at the Falcons board is already in full-on epic mode. below Posted Today, 03:43 PM win/win situation for the Falcons. Either we get Bush or push Saints closer to salary cap edge. Dimitroff wins again.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Why Rafael Bush is not an upgrade over Thomas DeCoud Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| below When will these mouth-breathers realize that THERE ARE NO SALARY CAP CONCERNS AS LONG AS LOOMIS IS IN CHARGE. Jesus, every single off-season we're supposedly screwed because of the salary cap. Is that how pathetic things are in Atlanta now that all they can really celebrate is the Saints cap situation supposedly being bad?!

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Why Rafael Bush is not an upgrade over Thomas DeCoud Originally Posted by ChrisXVI When will these mouth-breathers realize that THERE ARE NO SALARY CAP CONCERNS AS LONG AS LOOMIS IS IN CHARGE. Jesus, every single off-season we're supposedly screwed because of the salary cap. Is that how pathetic things are in Atlanta now that all they can really celebrate is the Saints cap situation supposedly being bad?! And for Dimitroff to supposedly win again is assuming he has won once, we are what 15-3 against the Falcons since '06 with a SB win?

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Why Rafael Bush is not an upgrade over Thomas DeCoud Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| below Dumbazz Dimitroff should have signed Malcolm Jenkins anyway- not Bush. How much pure flop can this guy do? I mean just fail. Thank God we got Tyson Jackson locked up on day 1 though. I bet the offer sheets were raining down on that guy like Pacman Jones in the strip club.
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atltillidie 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 432	Re: Why Rafael Bush is not an upgrade over Thomas DeCoud Originally Posted by ChrisXVI When will these mouth-breathers realize that THERE ARE NO SALARY CAP CONCERNS AS LONG AS LOOMIS IS IN CHARGE. Jesus, every single off-season we're supposedly screwed because of the salary cap. Is that how pathetic things are in Atlanta now that all they can really celebrate is the Saints cap situation supposedly being bad?! I don't know how Loomis does it, but you gotta hand it to him. He is a good GM. All you can do is just tip your hat to him.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Why Rafael Bush is not an upgrade over Thomas DeCoud Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| And for Dimitroff to supposedly win again is assuming he has won once, we are what 15-3 against the Falcons since '06 with a SB win? They're going into the draft needing to solve their O-Line, pass rush, safety and tight end issues all with rookies... Good luck with that! I think Dimitroff could end up being a lot closer to the hot seat than people realize if this upcoming season doesn't come with any postseason success.

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atltillidie 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 432	Re: Why Rafael Bush is not an upgrade over Thomas DeCoud Originally Posted by ChrisXVI They're going into the draft needing to solve their O-Line, pass rush, safety and tight end issues all with rookies... Good luck with that! I think Dimitroff could end up being a lot closer to the hot seat than people realize if this upcoming season doesn't come with any postseason success. Everyone knows that this is Dimitroff's last chance as well as Pioli's and Mike Smiths. The only reason TD and Smith weren't fired is because of the 5 winning seasons we had before.

04-07-2014, 05:13 PM	#19
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Why Rafael Bush is not an upgrade over Thomas DeCoud Originally Posted by ChrisXVI They're going into the draft needing to solve their O-Line, pass rush, safety and tight end issues all with rookies... Good luck with that! I think Dimitroff could end up being a lot closer to the hot seat than people realize if this upcoming season doesn't come with any postseason success. but yet they get a B- from Walter: Atlanta Falcons: B- Grade Thomas Dimitroff is often aggressive in free agency, and this spring wasn't any different. The Falcons paid lots of money to three new players, all of whom will help bolster the trenches in some fashion. The big name was Paul Soliai, who will be a great force inside. Jon Asamoah, meanwhile, will help upgrade an offensive line that was in shambles last year. What's important is that the Falcons are bringing back most of the members of their defense. In fact, the one big-name defender who's gone is Asante Samuel, and he was banged up this past season. Tony Gonzalez has departed as well, but Atlanta couldn't do anything about that. His replacement will have to be drafted. All in all, this was a decent offseason for Atlanta, though I think Dimitroff overpaid for some players; namely Tyson Jackson. UPDATE: I'll have an update here for the Devin Hester signing once financials are known. NFL Free Agent Grades: Corey Peters, DT, Falcons (re-sign) - A- Jonathan Babineaux, DT, Falcons (re-sign) - B+ Joe Hawley, C, Falcons (re-sign) - B Paul Soliai, NT, Dolphins - B- Devin Hester, KR, Bears - B- Jon Asamoah, G, Chiefs - C+ Tyson Jackson, DE/DT, Chiefs - C- here's ours: New Orleans Saints: B Grade The Saints went on a cutting spree to open the offseason. They dumped Will Smith, Jabari Greer, Lance Moore and Roman Harper, and then they traded a declining Darren Sproles for a fifth-round pick. All of this was done to retain Jimmy Graham, who was franchised. The Saints were also able to sign Pro Bowler Jairus Byrd and retain Zach Strief, but New Orleans overpaid for both players. In summary, the Saints had a pretty mediocre offseason. They bolstered their secondary and were able to keep their top weapon, but they lost depth and hurt themselves financially down the road with some bad contracts. Update: I've upgraded New Orleans' mark for the Champ Bailey signing, which was a quality move. NFL Free Agent Grades: Champ Bailey, CB, Broncos - A- Jairus Byrd, S, Bills - C+ Fifth-round pick for Darren Sproles - C+ Zach Strief, OT, Saints (re-sign) - C-
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Why Rafael Bush is not an upgrade over Thomas DeCoud Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| but yet they get a B- from Walter: Yeah I never understood why people have been saying the Failclowns had a good offseason... They need O-Line and pass-rush help the most so they sign a guard who was benched last season and 2 run-stopping D-Linemen. Not to mention signing 2 kick returners. So now they have tons of needs to fill going into the draft and that's considered a great offseason?!

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