Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options

CharityMike · 04-09-2014, 04:47 PM

LSU runs a pro style offense. If Les had his way, they would never throw the ball. What Rez said is absolutely correct. ZM was very streaky. Go read the write ups on him from scouts and you will read the same thing. He is a old school pocket passer. The problem with that is, you have to have good accuracy and thats one area he struggles with. When he is on, he is ON but to many games not on for my liking. IMO he should not be drafted any earlier than round 3.

papz · 04-09-2014, 06:40 PM

Well, the odds are in your favor. Most quarterback prospects bust out anyways.

Always nice to see a fellow Tiger fan rooting for their own.

rezburna · 04-09-2014, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Well, the odds are in your favor. Most quarterback prospects bust out anyways.

Always nice to see a fellow Tiger fan rooting for their own.

I never liked Mettenberger at LSU. I can't lie to you. So I won't even pretend like I'm rooting for him or care about how his career ends up. If he turns out to be good, that's good for him, but he's not my favorite guy to come through LSU. I had two former team mates who played for LSU. Richard and Travis Dickson. I was realistic about them too, although I rooted for them extra hard. That's just me.

papz · 04-09-2014, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I never liked Mettenberger at LSU. I can't lie to you. So I won't even pretend like I'm rooting for him or care about how his career ends up. If he turns out to be good, that's good for him, but he's not my favorite guy to come through LSU. I had two former team mates who played for LSU. Richard and Travis Dickson. I was realistic about them too, although I rooted for them extra hard. That's just me.

And that's your prerogative. I can't make you like him. While I can agree with the criticism of his game, I just choose not to dwell on the negatives. In one year under Cam Cameron, he became an exponentially better quarterback. Just imagine if he had another season or two under Cam's guidance. There's a reason why he's picking up steam... but you can choose to ignore it.

Also while you question whether or not some may be looking at him through rose colored glasses...

I never liked Mettenberger at LSU. I can't lie to you.

...one could question whether or not you are using your bias towards him.

rezburna · 04-09-2014, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by papz

And that's your prerogative. I can't make you like him. While I can agree with the criticism of his game, I just choose not to dwell on the negatives. In one year under Cam Cameron, he became an exponentially better quarterback. Just imagine if he had another season or two under Cam's guidance. There's a reason why he's picking up steam... but you can choose to ignore it.

Also while you question whether or not some may be looking at him through rose colored glasses...

...one could question whether or not you are using your bias towards him.

I am extremely biased towards him. But my bias is that I watched him his first year, he was garbage. Watched him his second year, he was better, but inconsistent as hell so he never won me over. So yeah, I don't like him, and it can be considered bias, but it's because I don't like his play. That's why I don't like him. Not for no reason. I didn't like Jordan Jefferson. I didn't like Matt Flynn. I liked Jamarcus his senior year, and I loved Ryan Perriloux. This is performance bias.

Question is, you think we should draft him and try to develop him? I can see the attraction to him. I just don't believe in him. But if you do, tell me why. Tell me what sells you outside of the Cam Cameron thing.

Vrillon82 · 04-09-2014, 07:11 PM

Beckham is one of those guys I want much like I wanted Percy Harvin some years ago, but probably minus all the injuries and such.

exile · 04-09-2014, 07:31 PM

I would take Landry with #27. Now do you see why I'm not an NFL GM?

papz · 04-09-2014, 07:52 PM

No I don't think we should draft and develop him. I don't see him as a fit for our offense. I'm an Aaron Murray guy myself... I think he's tailor made for our offense. Mettenberger is being linked to the Vikings and I see how he fits into Norv Turner's offense. He has a cannon for an arm and has prototypical size. He's capable of making all the throws and not afraid to step up in the pocket and take a big hit. His big issue with me has always been his ability to harness his big arm and to improve on his touch passes. He still has a ways to go and would probably take a few years of good coaching before he's able to make an impact for anyone. Consistency is definitely an issue but the same can be said about the majority of young quarterbacks that enter the NFL every year... he's no different. All of these guys are far from a finished product.

I think that should kill any perceived homer-ism I might have being an LSU guy.

rezburna · 04-09-2014, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by papz

No I don't think we should draft and develop him. I don't see him as a fit for our offense. I'm an Aaron Murray guy myself... I think he's tailor made for our offense. Mettenberger is being linked to the Vikings and I see how he fits into Norv Turner's offense. He has a cannon for an arm and has prototypical size. He's capable of making all the throws and not afraid to step up in the pocket and take a big hit. His big issue with me has always been his ability to harness his big arm and to improve on his touch passes. He still has a ways to go and would probably take a few years of good coaching before he's able to make an impact for anyone. Consistency is definitely an issue but the same can be said about the majority of young quarterbacks that enter the NFL every year... he's no different. All of these guys are far from a finished product.

I think that should kill any perceived homer-ism I might have being an LSU guy.

I'm feeling Murray. Like you said, he's not ready yet, but I can remember at some point in his career they thought he'd be a #1 pick. We're pretty much on the same page. Why are we even debating? Smh.

voodooido · 04-09-2014, 10:27 PM

Zach-2013 SPLITS CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Season 192 296 3082 64.9 10.41 63 22 8 21 171.4

Murray-CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Season 225 347 3075 64.8 8.86 98 26 9 13 158.8

Just to compare. If Mett was hot and cold last year what was Murray?

04-09-2014, 06:47 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options Originally Posted by papz Well, the odds are in your favor. Most quarterback prospects bust out anyways. Always nice to see a fellow Tiger fan rooting for their own. I never liked Mettenberger at LSU. I can't lie to you. So I won't even pretend like I'm rooting for him or care about how his career ends up. If he turns out to be good, that's good for him, but he's not my favorite guy to come through LSU. I had two former team mates who played for LSU. Richard and Travis Dickson. I was realistic about them too, although I rooted for them extra hard. That's just me.

04-09-2014, 07:08 PM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options Originally Posted by rezburna I never liked Mettenberger at LSU. I can't lie to you. So I won't even pretend like I'm rooting for him or care about how his career ends up. If he turns out to be good, that's good for him, but he's not my favorite guy to come through LSU. I had two former team mates who played for LSU. Richard and Travis Dickson. I was realistic about them too, although I rooted for them extra hard. That's just me. And that's your prerogative. I can't make you like him. While I can agree with the criticism of his game, I just choose not to dwell on the negatives. In one year under Cam Cameron, he became an exponentially better quarterback. Just imagine if he had another season or two under Cam's guidance. There's a reason why he's picking up steam... but you can choose to ignore it. Also while you question whether or not some may be looking at him through rose colored glasses... I never liked Mettenberger at LSU. I can't lie to you. ...one could question whether or not you are using your bias towards him.
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04-09-2014, 07:31 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options Originally Posted by papz And that's your prerogative. I can't make you like him. While I can agree with the criticism of his game, I just choose not to dwell on the negatives. In one year under Cam Cameron, he became an exponentially better quarterback. Just imagine if he had another season or two under Cam's guidance. There's a reason why he's picking up steam... but you can choose to ignore it. Also while you question whether or not some may be looking at him through rose colored glasses... ...one could question whether or not you are using your bias towards him. I am extremely biased towards him. But my bias is that I watched him his first year, he was garbage. Watched him his second year, he was better, but inconsistent as hell so he never won me over. So yeah, I don't like him, and it can be considered bias, but it's because I don't like his play. That's why I don't like him. Not for no reason. I didn't like Jordan Jefferson. I didn't like Matt Flynn. I liked Jamarcus his senior year, and I loved Ryan Perriloux. This is performance bias. Question is, you think we should draft him and try to develop him? I can see the attraction to him. I just don't believe in him. But if you do, tell me why. Tell me what sells you outside of the Cam Cameron thing.
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04-09-2014, 07:11 PM	#6
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options Beckham is one of those guys I want much like I wanted Percy Harvin some years ago, but probably minus all the injuries and such.
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04-09-2014, 07:31 PM	#7
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options I would take Landry with #27. Now do you see why I'm not an NFL GM?
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04-09-2014, 04:47 PM	#1
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options LSU runs a pro style offense. If Les had his way, they would never throw the ball. What Rez said is absolutely correct. ZM was very streaky. Go read the write ups on him from scouts and you will read the same thing. He is a old school pocket passer. The problem with that is, you have to have good accuracy and thats one area he struggles with. When he is on, he is ON but to many games not on for my liking. IMO he should not be drafted any earlier than round 3.

04-09-2014, 06:40 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options Well, the odds are in your favor. Most quarterback prospects bust out anyways. Always nice to see a fellow Tiger fan rooting for their own. SapperSaint likes this.

04-09-2014, 07:52 PM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options No I don't think we should draft and develop him. I don't see him as a fit for our offense. I'm an Aaron Murray guy myself... I think he's tailor made for our offense. Mettenberger is being linked to the Vikings and I see how he fits into Norv Turner's offense. He has a cannon for an arm and has prototypical size. He's capable of making all the throws and not afraid to step up in the pocket and take a big hit. His big issue with me has always been his ability to harness his big arm and to improve on his touch passes. He still has a ways to go and would probably take a few years of good coaching before he's able to make an impact for anyone. Consistency is definitely an issue but the same can be said about the majority of young quarterbacks that enter the NFL every year... he's no different. All of these guys are far from a finished product. I think that should kill any perceived homer-ism I might have being an LSU guy.
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04-09-2014, 09:50 PM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options Originally Posted by papz No I don't think we should draft and develop him. I don't see him as a fit for our offense. I'm an Aaron Murray guy myself... I think he's tailor made for our offense. Mettenberger is being linked to the Vikings and I see how he fits into Norv Turner's offense. He has a cannon for an arm and has prototypical size. He's capable of making all the throws and not afraid to step up in the pocket and take a big hit. His big issue with me has always been his ability to harness his big arm and to improve on his touch passes. He still has a ways to go and would probably take a few years of good coaching before he's able to make an impact for anyone. Consistency is definitely an issue but the same can be said about the majority of young quarterbacks that enter the NFL every year... he's no different. All of these guys are far from a finished product. I think that should kill any perceived homer-ism I might have being an LSU guy. I'm feeling Murray. Like you said, he's not ready yet, but I can remember at some point in his career they thought he'd be a #1 pick. We're pretty much on the same page. Why are we even debating? Smh. Joker likes this.

04-09-2014, 10:27 PM	#10
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,843	Re: Lee, Beckham, Landry among WR options Zach-2013 SPLITS CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT Season 192 296 3082 64.9 10.41 63 22 8 21 171.4 Murray-CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT Season 225 347 3075 64.8 8.86 98 26 9 13 158.8 Just to compare. If Mett was hot and cold last year what was Murray?
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