Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back

hagan714 · 04-13-2014, 05:46 PM

if you get 8 games out of Robinson you will be lucky

ScottF · 04-13-2014, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

if you get 8 games out of Robinson you will be lucky

We might say the same for Bailey

It would be easier if we could pick the 8 for each

hagan714 · 04-13-2014, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

We might say the same for Bailey
It would be easier if we could pick the 8 for each

8+8 = 16

greer seals the playoffs

Utah_Saint · 04-13-2014, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I feel like Greer is more of ? mark then Bailey. I keep telling y'all, watch out for Patrick Robinson, and Corey White looks much better at Nickel then as a 1 or a 2.

I think you're right.

In 2011 Patrick Robinson looked great.

In 2012 he looked terrible but the whole defense looked terrible. Even as many yards as he gave up he still only allowed a 55.3% catch rate. That's pretty good.

If he's recovered from his Patella injury, I'm hoping he'll be back to 2011 form in this defense.

rezburna · 04-13-2014, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I think you're right.

In 2011 Patrick Robinson looked great.

In 2012 he looked terrible but the whole defense looked terrible. Even as many yards as he gave up he still only allowed a 55.3% catch rate. That's pretty good.

If he's recovered from his Patella injury, I'm hoping he'll be back to 2011 form in this defense.

He can't run that cover 2 scheme. He's press, man to man like all of Florida State's corners.

halloween 65 · 04-14-2014, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

He can't run that cover 2 scheme. He's press, man to man like all of Florida State's corners.

I got a feeling we press alot this season with a single high FS and 2 SS, my opinion it would be crazy not to. I think White will shine in the slot. I like Robinson, good when healthy but he has to stay healthy. Last season taught White what it takes to be a #2 corner, I thought he held up well to be thrown into it after Robinson was hurt, he has had a good taste and a good learning experience, he is my pick as breakout player this season.

TheOak · 04-14-2014, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

but the $2.7 is gone, already spent

Now you are talking about spending $750K for a rookie or $1 mill for a vet.
If it's a rookie with potential, then sure, that's the way to go. However, we already have Wade, Sweeting, and Frederick? as projects. Bailey is a question mark and White is a work in progress.
If Greer is healthy, I'd rather him than another FA or UD rookie.

I said 1m for a vet because with his 10 years that is Greers vet minimum. There is also the assumption that if there was any viability left on Greer, Loomis tried to negotiate a more friendly cap number and Greer wouldn't take it so he was cut. More assumption that a team tried to approach Greer with vet minimum and he is still a free agent.

Yes the 2.7m in cap space is already spent, at this point its a sunk cost and I do not see Loomis sinking another dollar into a player that he was forced to sink an unrecoverable 2.7m.

When players get up in age or 10+ years they don't usually go for a vet minimum because of the risk that he could never get injured and never fully recover. In Greers case he has made $31m in his career and since he hasn't retired I am assuming that he can still play, but he isn't going to risk being crippled for a vet minimum.

There are boat load of assumptions, basically because we have nothing else to go on.

WillSaints81 · 04-15-2014, 11:42 PM

Yes to Goodwin, he has been missed.

Danno · 04-16-2014, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

if you get 8 games out of Robinson you will be lucky

Why do you say that? 2013 was the only time he really missed any games.

He played in 12 games his rookie season, 17 games in year 2, and 16 games in year 3.

K Major · 04-16-2014, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

He smiled after every pick. My dad used to get so mad.

The yawning from AB did it for me. Just didn't seem motivated to lead his team at times. Body language tells the story ... sometimes.

04-13-2014, 05:46 PM	#31
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back if you get 8 games out of Robinson you will be lucky

04-13-2014, 05:48 PM	#32
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back Originally Posted by hagan714 if you get 8 games out of Robinson you will be lucky We might say the same for Bailey It would be easier if we could pick the 8 for each hagan714 likes this.
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04-13-2014, 05:54 PM	#33
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back Originally Posted by ScottF We might say the same for Bailey It would be easier if we could pick the 8 for each 8+8 = 16 greer seals the playoffs Utah_Saint likes this.

04-13-2014, 05:59 PM	#34
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back Originally Posted by rezburna I feel like Greer is more of ? mark then Bailey. I keep telling y'all, watch out for Patrick Robinson, and Corey White looks much better at Nickel then as a 1 or a 2. I think you're right. In 2011 Patrick Robinson looked great. In 2012 he looked terrible but the whole defense looked terrible. Even as many yards as he gave up he still only allowed a 55.3% catch rate. That's pretty good. If he's recovered from his Patella injury, I'm hoping he'll be back to 2011 form in this defense.

04-13-2014, 06:12 PM	#35
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I think you're right. In 2011 Patrick Robinson looked great. In 2012 he looked terrible but the whole defense looked terrible. Even as many yards as he gave up he still only allowed a 55.3% catch rate. That's pretty good. If he's recovered from his Patella injury, I'm hoping he'll be back to 2011 form in this defense. He can't run that cover 2 scheme. He's press, man to man like all of Florida State's corners.

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04-14-2014, 05:52 AM	#36
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back Originally Posted by rezburna He can't run that cover 2 scheme. He's press, man to man like all of Florida State's corners. I got a feeling we press alot this season with a single high FS and 2 SS, my opinion it would be crazy not to. I think White will shine in the slot. I like Robinson, good when healthy but he has to stay healthy. Last season taught White what it takes to be a #2 corner, I thought he held up well to be thrown into it after Robinson was hurt, he has had a good taste and a good learning experience, he is my pick as breakout player this season.

04-14-2014, 07:26 AM	#37
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back Originally Posted by ScottF but the $2.7 is gone, already spent Now you are talking about spending $750K for a rookie or $1 mill for a vet. If it's a rookie with potential, then sure, that's the way to go. However, we already have Wade, Sweeting, and Frederick? as projects. Bailey is a question mark and White is a work in progress. If Greer is healthy, I'd rather him than another FA or UD rookie. I said 1m for a vet because with his 10 years that is Greers vet minimum. There is also the assumption that if there was any viability left on Greer, Loomis tried to negotiate a more friendly cap number and Greer wouldn't take it so he was cut. More assumption that a team tried to approach Greer with vet minimum and he is still a free agent. Yes the 2.7m in cap space is already spent, at this point its a sunk cost and I do not see Loomis sinking another dollar into a player that he was forced to sink an unrecoverable 2.7m. When players get up in age or 10+ years they don't usually go for a vet minimum because of the risk that he could never get injured and never fully recover. In Greers case he has made $31m in his career and since he hasn't retired I am assuming that he can still play, but he isn't going to risk being crippled for a vet minimum. There are boat load of assumptions, basically because we have nothing else to go on. saintsfan403 likes this.
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04-15-2014, 11:42 PM	#38
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back Yes to Goodwin, he has been missed. K Major likes this.

04-16-2014, 09:47 AM	#39
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back Originally Posted by hagan714 if you get 8 games out of Robinson you will be lucky Why do you say that? 2013 was the only time he really missed any games. He played in 12 games his rookie season, 17 games in year 2, and 16 games in year 3.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Rumors: Robert Meachem, Jabari Greer, Jonathan Goodwin could be back Originally Posted by rezburna He smiled after every pick. My dad used to get so mad. The yawning from AB did it for me. Just didn't seem motivated to lead his team at times. Body language tells the story ... sometimes.

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