Danno

I think you're confused by Oak's confusion.

I think Oak is stating that the OP is confusing several items, unless I am also confused.

lee909

Well in now really confused.
Its been a long week, the sooner the Easter Weekend kicks in the better

TheOak

I was referencing the OP.

Earlier in the year there was some speculation that the rams might be interested in Jimmy, if I recall. Before Jimmy was tagged.

Somehow the 2x First round picks as compensation was turned into 1 second round pick as trade.

The 2 First round Compensation picks have to be original draft picks.

Will is upset the Rams are shopping a 2nd round pick that the Rams can shop as they please.

saintfan

SaintFanInATLHELL

OK.

Um, that's not how I read it. I'm not trying to muddy the waters any more than they already are...

That is absolutely correct. The Rams original 1st round pick this year is #12. So as stated before the only picks that could be given in compensation are the Rams' original 2014 pick, #12, and their first round 2015 pick.

But to reiterate, this is only for compensation if the Rams were to sign JG to an offer sheet and the Saints declined to match it.

Now this is one of the items I wanted to clear up. The Rams have another 2014 1st round draft pick. It is the #2 pick. It is the pick of the Washington Redskins that was traded as part of the package to draft RG3 in 2012.

So the Rams are not shopping a 2nd round pick. They are shopping their 1st round pick #2.

Since this isn't an original draft pick for the team, it cannot be a part of any compensation package for signing JG to an offer.

The second item I wanted to address is the thinking that the Saints really have a way that they can trade JG at this point. They cannot. JG is not under contract. Because of the franchise tag, the Saints retain the right of matching an offer. But since JG does not have a contract with the team at this time, the Saints have no ability to trade JG. JG is a franchised free agent. He is a free agent. I say again, he is a free agent. But with the tag, it'll cost any team two original draft picks to sign him. And that's only if the Saints then decline to match.

Of course I think the point is just about as moot as the discussion two years ago with the crazy idea that Brees and the Saints were somehow not going to come to an agreement.

Several months ago I gave the timeline. We're right on schedule. Next up is the end of this week with the deadline for filing a grievance on the tag to have JG upgraded to WR. It will happen. JG should fire Jimmy Sexton, his agent, if it doesn't. It means nothing.

Next will be the ruling. JG will most likely retain the TE tag. One way or the other this means a bit more because whoever wins will have a bit more negotiating leverage.

You can then put it on snooze during OTAs. JG will not be there. He'll take his vacation, head to Miami and work out most likely.

Wake up about July 10th for the upcoming July 15th deadline for signing the tender. JG will do that. Jimmy Sexton and Mickey Loomis should be ironing out the final details about this time.

Third week of July, a big signing will be announced just in time for training camp.

I said it several months ago. I reiterate it now. It's going to play out exactly as specified.

SFIAH

Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO

Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

ScottF

All quite confusing.

I think we can safely end it
by saying we have JG for this year, so have no reason to trade him for a #12 pick, especially when we would get two # 1's if some insane team signed him to an offer sheet.

No need to waste brain cells on speculation, especially if the 'desired' result doesn't benefit the team

SaintFanInATLHELL

Not really.
Again, we cannot trade a player that is not under contract. JG is currently a free agent. We cannot get a #12, a #2, a 2015 1st round, or anything else for that player at this time. JG is at this moment not at Saint. He is currently an NFL player without a team.

Agreed. The argument is moot precisely because no one is insane enough to give up 2 #1 original draft picks for JG (or frankly any other NFL player).

SFIAH

ScottF

I am not an expert on the franchise tag, but I do know that we own his rights. JG has a one year $7.04 million contract with the us for 2014.

PS-- wth is with this weather?? 27 this morning in ATL!!

SaintFanInATLHELL

No. He has a $7.04 million franchise tender. It's not a contract until he signs it.
It's a non exclusive franchise tag. This gives JG the opportunity to sign with any team under any terms. It's a restricted form of free agency. But it is still free agency.

In order to trade JG (idle speculation people, not reality) the Saints would have to first sign him to a contract. The team would then be on the hook for any guaranteed money on that contract even after the trade occurs. That's just as about as insane as any other team giving up 2 1st round picks.

It's nuts. 80 degrees one day, 30 degrees the next.

SFIAH

Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO

Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

WillSaints81

Oh okay, I see now(brainbubble).

But maybe we could still trade up for their pick for our first and another of our 8 picks?