Goodwin Visiting

Danno · 04-17-2014, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Martin sounds a lot like a younger Goodwin. It would be interesting to see our backs run the ball behind a big bruising center again.

Here' what got my attention...

COMPARES TO: Alex Mack, Cleveland Browns

OK, I'm sold.

TwistedTiger · 04-17-2014, 03:02 PM

Marcus Martin Draft Profile

"Lacks desirable grit, toughness and finishing strength to maximize his talent and is stronger than he plays."

Reading his weaknesses and the bottom line in his Draft profile reminds me of many other recent USC players. If he's available in the 3rd, maybe, but there has to be a higher value player available in the 2nd.

Utah_Saint · 04-17-2014, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

Marcus Martin Draft Profile

"Lacks desirable grit, toughness and finishing strength to maximize his talent and is stronger than he plays."

Reading his weaknesses and the bottom line in his Draft profile reminds me of many other recent USC players. If he's available in the 3rd, maybe, but there has to be a higher value player available in the 2nd.

One of the many reasons I'm not a draftnik is because of the Strengths/Weakness' portion of the player profiles. No matter whose you read, they always seem to put in enough strengths and weakness's to cover themselves in case the guy turns out to be either Joe Thomas or Charles Brown.

Weakness: Plays a bit high at times, occasionally losing leverage or getting pushed back against wide-bodies. Does not play with a particularly wide base. Will lean forward too much when in space, losing his ability to sustain the block and allowing defenders to get him off balance. Sometimes misses his target in space. Lacks a great push in short-yardage situations. Needs quicker feet and lateral movement in pass protection to handle quick, penetrating three-technique tackles and adjust to blitzing linebackers inside.

That doesn't sound very good but it's from the player draft profile for Alex Mack. So I never know what to think.

ChrisXVI · 04-17-2014, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

One of the many reasons I'm not a draftnik is because of the Strengths/Weakness' portion of the player profiles. No matter who's you read, they always seem to put in enough strengths and weakness's to cover themselves in case the guy turns out to be either Joe Thomas or Charles Brown.

Weakness: Plays a bit high at times, occasionally losing leverage or getting pushed back against wide-bodies. Does not play with a particularly wide base. Will lean forward too much when in space, losing his ability to sustain the block and allowing defenders to get him off balance. Sometimes misses his target in space. Lacks a great push in short-yardage situations. Needs quicker feet and lateral movement in pass protection to handle quick, penetrating three-technique tackles and adjust to blitzing linebackers inside.

That doesn't sound very good but it's from the player draft profile for Alex Mack. So I never know what to think.

So true! Players are over-analyzed to the point where these scouting reports are completely irrelevant. It's almost like scouting reports are an art form that don't actually have anything to do with the draft and the reality of playing football.

Danno · 04-17-2014, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

Marcus Martin Draft Profile

"Lacks desirable grit, toughness and finishing strength to maximize his talent and is stronger than he plays."

Marcus Martin Draft Profile..

"His upside is clear, as is his grit and physicality."

Marcus Martin, C, Southern California, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

triman · 04-17-2014, 05:49 PM

I think that we will pick a center ,but not before the 3rd rd. Mayock really likes Martin. Goodwin is a no brainer . We will sign him for not much.It make a lot of sense.IMHO GOOD MOVE.

Rugby Saint II · 04-17-2014, 05:57 PM

Bring him on board and let's get to running the damn ball.

halloween 65 · 04-17-2014, 06:50 PM

This is the guy I like. I believe he could do well between 2 pro-bowl gaurds. Strength and conditioning could turn this guy into a stud. I want a stud C more than any other position on the team, it will make the engine run smooth again. A WR wouldn't hurt my feelings either ,the kind with a good kick with hands.

QBREES9 · 04-23-2014, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Thats one Happy cat!

burningmetal · 04-23-2014, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If two rookies can't beat out a 35 year old 12 year vet for Center either we have a big problem or Goodwin found the fountain of youth.

Not knocking him but 1 Pro-Bowl appearance isn't normally indicative of a 12 year vet beating out the world.

He doesn't get passed preseason, and I doubt he signs for what Loomis wants to pay.

Who was saddened when we let him go? Now we celebrate his return....

He is a better option than DLP though.

I wasn't sad, per se, but would have preferred to keep him. Nothing wrong with bringing him in. Have you heard anything negative about him? I haven't. That's always a good sign and more than I can say for some of our linemen.

04-17-2014, 02:37 PM	#21
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Goodwin Visiting Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Martin sounds a lot like a younger Goodwin. It would be interesting to see our backs run the ball behind a big bruising center again. Here' what got my attention... COMPARES TO: Alex Mack, Cleveland Browns OK, I'm sold.

04-17-2014, 03:02 PM	#22
TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: Goodwin Visiting Marcus Martin Draft Profile "Lacks desirable grit, toughness and finishing strength to maximize his talent and is stronger than he plays." Reading his weaknesses and the bottom line in his Draft profile reminds me of many other recent USC players. If he's available in the 3rd, maybe, but there has to be a higher value player available in the 2nd.
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04-17-2014, 04:12 PM	#23
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Goodwin Visiting Originally Posted by TwistedTiger Marcus Martin Draft Profile "Lacks desirable grit, toughness and finishing strength to maximize his talent and is stronger than he plays." Reading his weaknesses and the bottom line in his Draft profile reminds me of many other recent USC players. If he's available in the 3rd, maybe, but there has to be a higher value player available in the 2nd. One of the many reasons I'm not a draftnik is because of the Strengths/Weakness' portion of the player profiles. No matter whose you read, they always seem to put in enough strengths and weakness's to cover themselves in case the guy turns out to be either Joe Thomas or Charles Brown. Weakness: Plays a bit high at times, occasionally losing leverage or getting pushed back against wide-bodies. Does not play with a particularly wide base. Will lean forward too much when in space, losing his ability to sustain the block and allowing defenders to get him off balance. Sometimes misses his target in space. Lacks a great push in short-yardage situations. Needs quicker feet and lateral movement in pass protection to handle quick, penetrating three-technique tackles and adjust to blitzing linebackers inside. That doesn't sound very good but it's from the player draft profile for Alex Mack. So I never know what to think. Rugby Saint II, halloween 65 and Joker like this.

04-17-2014, 04:17 PM	#24
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Goodwin Visiting Originally Posted by Utah_Saint One of the many reasons I'm not a draftnik is because of the Strengths/Weakness' portion of the player profiles. No matter who's you read, they always seem to put in enough strengths and weakness's to cover themselves in case the guy turns out to be either Joe Thomas or Charles Brown. Weakness: Plays a bit high at times, occasionally losing leverage or getting pushed back against wide-bodies. Does not play with a particularly wide base. Will lean forward too much when in space, losing his ability to sustain the block and allowing defenders to get him off balance. Sometimes misses his target in space. Lacks a great push in short-yardage situations. Needs quicker feet and lateral movement in pass protection to handle quick, penetrating three-technique tackles and adjust to blitzing linebackers inside. That doesn't sound very good but it's from the player draft profile for Alex Mack. So I never know what to think. So true! Players are over-analyzed to the point where these scouting reports are completely irrelevant. It's almost like scouting reports are an art form that don't actually have anything to do with the draft and the reality of playing football. Utah_Saint likes this.

04-17-2014, 04:34 PM	#25
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Goodwin Visiting Originally Posted by TwistedTiger Marcus Martin Draft Profile "Lacks desirable grit, toughness and finishing strength to maximize his talent and is stronger than he plays." Marcus Martin Draft Profile.. "His upside is clear, as is his grit and physicality." Marcus Martin, C, Southern California, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

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04-17-2014, 05:49 PM	#26
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: Goodwin Visiting I think that we will pick a center ,but not before the 3rd rd. Mayock really likes Martin. Goodwin is a no brainer . We will sign him for not much.It make a lot of sense.IMHO GOOD MOVE.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Goodwin Visiting Bring him on board and let's get to running the damn ball.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Goodwin Visiting This is the guy I like. I believe he could do well between 2 pro-bowl gaurds. Strength and conditioning could turn this guy into a stud. I want a stud C more than any other position on the team, it will make the engine run smooth again. A WR wouldn't hurt my feelings either ,the kind with a good kick with hands.

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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Goodwin Visiting Originally Posted by foreverfan Thats one Happy cat!

04-23-2014, 03:29 AM	#30
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Goodwin Visiting Originally Posted by TheOak If two rookies can't beat out a 35 year old 12 year vet for Center either we have a big problem or Goodwin found the fountain of youth. Not knocking him but 1 Pro-Bowl appearance isn't normally indicative of a 12 year vet beating out the world. He doesn't get passed preseason, and I doubt he signs for what Loomis wants to pay. Who was saddened when we let him go? Now we celebrate his return.... He is a better option than DLP though. I wasn't sad, per se, but would have preferred to keep him. Nothing wrong with bringing him in. Have you heard anything negative about him? I haven't. That's always a good sign and more than I can say for some of our linemen.

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