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The Dude 04-18-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 589044)
Can someone explain exactly what I'm missing in terms of the Saints and the wide receiver position? Throughout the offseason the vibe I've been getting is that we suddenly became the KittyKats and that we have no one to catch the ball.

Colston and Stills were the starters last year. They were productive. They are both back. Meachem is resigned. So is Morgan, who is back from injury. Toon is going into his third year and may finally have production that matches his talent.

Saints backs caught a ton of balls. Adding another receiver isn't going to change that. Let's not forget that Reggie Bush caught a record number of balls out of the backfield his first couple of seasons here. Last year both Thomas and Sproles caught over 70 balls each. Just because Sproles is gone doesn't mean that the law firm (Thomas, Ingram, Robinson, and Cadet) are still not going to have a ton of balls thrown to them.

Jimmy Graham. Enough said.

So given that climate, why is there such a fixation on wide receivers? If Morgan and/or Mechem are anywhere close to their latest production, then it's going to be tough for any rookie to get anything other than the occasional snap in the #3 WR spot.

Any light shed on this would be greatly appreciated.

SFIAH

Exactly what Danno said.
We basically have 2 legit starting Wrs in Colston and Graham. Colston is getting old and both have history with injuries. If they go down it will be up to Toon, Stills, and Morgan.
I don't think Toon is going to pan out. I just don't think he is NFL material much less stratum material.
Stills had a good season and looks to be legit but he's raw and could benefit from more experience.
Morgan has shown flashes but he has also made some big mistakes and is still a ?? Coming off injury.
Meachem can help but WR is a position of serious need. More so than people think.
If Colston and Graham get hurt we are screwed.

Crusader 04-18-2014 02:58 PM

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He knows the system, still has decent speed and is cheap. What's not to like?

saintfan 04-18-2014 03:00 PM

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Happy to have him back and still hoping the BPA at #27 is a WR.

Crusader 04-18-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 589060)
He knows the system, still has decent speed and is cheap. What's not to like?

And maybe most importantly. Drew is familiar with him.

jnormand 04-18-2014 03:44 PM

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No prob with this. Nice to have him back.

TheOak 04-18-2014 04:17 PM

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TheOak 04-18-2014 04:20 PM

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The concerns with last years receiving corps.

1. How Morgan is back and healthy..... AGAIN.... and AGAIN.

2. Colstons never ending foot story.

3. Stills played very well.

4. Toon dropsies.

5. Morgan healthy AGAIN.... and

6. At times all were fairly shut out, even the Ginger Giant.

7. and he is healthy AGAIN...

TheOak 04-18-2014 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 589048)
I'm all for restocking if it's a best player available situation. But considering that pretty much every receiver outside of Colston and Stills were part time last year (including Moore) defining WR as a need seems to be an overreach.



My concern would be at the RB position. The Saints offense is driven by misdirection. It stagnates when a back in the backfield isn't a multiple threat. It looked to me that Ingram caught a couple of nice balls last year. I hope Robinson can be trained up to do so.



SFIAH


It's a want, not a need. We have very few true needs. C is one, even if it's just depth.

SaintFanInATLHELL 04-18-2014 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 589056)
Exactly what Danno said.
We basically have 2 legit starting Wrs in Colston and Graham. Colston is getting old and both have history with injuries. If they go down it will be up to Toon, Stills, and Morgan.
I don't think Toon is going to pan out. I just don't think he is NFL material much less stratum material.
Stills had a good season and looks to be legit but he's raw and could benefit from more experience.
Morgan has shown flashes but he has also made some big mistakes and is still a ?? Coming off injury.
Meachem can help but WR is a position of serious need. More so than people think.
If Colston and Graham get hurt we are screwed.

I see what you are saying to a point. But only to a point. Let's be honest. Drew Brees in a Sean Payton offensive system can make receivers that are average talent very productive. Samples:

Joe Horn with his 94 balls had triple the production in his first year in NO than in his first 4 years at KC combined.

Devery Henderson was a weapon in the Saints offense. He could not even get onto a squad last year.

Meachem was useless in San Diego. Comes back and has a productive year last year.

Morgan looked like a budding superstar in 2012.

Even Moore and Colston were undrafted and 7th rd pick respectively.

The Payton offense gets you the matchup. The QB then throws players open. How else can you have an offense that has posted 4 5000 yard passing seasons with a receiver corps where virtually no one breaks the 1000 yard mark?

From what I understand the WR crop is deep this year in the draft. Just like Stills last year there's no reason that a 3rd, 4th, or 5th round receiver could not easily transition to a productive player in the Saints offense.

SFIAH

Danno 04-18-2014 05:14 PM

Re: Meachem signed
 
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 589076)
I see what you are saying to a point. But only to a point. Let's be honest. Drew Brees in a Sean Payton offensive system can make receivers that are average talent very productive. Samples:

Joe Horn with his 94 balls had triple the production in his first year in NO than in his first 4 years at KC combined.

Devery Henderson was a weapon in the Saints offense. He could not even get onto a squad last year.

Meachem was useless in San Diego. Comes back and has a productive year last year.

Morgan looked like a budding superstar in 2012.

Even Moore and Colston were undrafted and 7th rd pick respectively.

The Payton offense gets you the matchup. The QB then throws players open. How else can you have an offense that has posted 4 5000 yard passing seasons with a receiver corps where virtually no one breaks the 1000 yard mark?

From what I understand the WR crop is deep this year in the draft. Just like Stills last year there's no reason that a 3rd, 4th, or 5th round receiver could not easily transition to a productive player in the Saints offense.

SFIAH

Oh I agree we shouldn't sell the farm for a WR, I would be just giddy if we landed one in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th round.

BTW: Joe Horn only played in 10 games with Brees/Payton, which was one of his worst seasons.

But I agree, WR is only one of several positions worthy of our 1st pick. OLB, ILB, CB, WR, TE (Ebron), DT or even an A-prospect at DE wouldn't upset me at all.


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