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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheOak Its not that far from accurate on the Saints part. 10th in scoring in 2013 4th in yards in 2013 Sproles gone Nothing has changes to make our running game better C is a big question ...

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Old 04-24-2014, 11:36 AM   #11
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Re: Power Rankings: Grading each NFL’s team’s offense

Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Its not that far from accurate on the Saints part.

10th in scoring in 2013
4th in yards in 2013

Sproles gone
Nothing has changes to make our running game better
C is a big question mark
LT is a small question mark
Actually, I see Sproles' leaving as making our running game better. His presence or absence usually dictated what the Saints were going to do with the ball. I also see moving on from an undersized center in DLP as being a positive to the run game.
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Re: Power Rankings: Grading each NFL’s team’s offense

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Actually, I see Sproles' leaving as making our running game better. His presence or absence usually dictated what the Saints were going to do with the ball. I also see moving on from an undersized center in DLP as being a positive to the run game.
We agree on Sproles, bot you and I are in the minority.

For a C you don't want him Tackle sized, and it is more about mobility and Football IQ... DLP was bigger than Jeff Saturday. Centers usually fall into the 6'2-6'4" and 300-315.

Lelito 6'4" 315
DLP 6'3" 306
Saturday 6'2" 295


Mack arguably the best Center in the league 6'4" 311
Kelce arguably the 2nd best Center is 6'3" 295
Raiola arguably the 3rd best Center in the league is 6'1" 295

Besides we have a vertically challenged QB and there is a reason the majority of his passes are between the guards

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Re: Power Rankings: Grading each NFL’s team’s offense

Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
We agree on Sproles, bot you and I are in the minority.

For a C you don't want him Tackle sized, and it is more about mobility and Football IQ... DLP was bigger than Jeff Saturday. Centers usually fall into the 6'2-6'4" and 300-315.

Lelito 6'4" 315
DLP 6'3" 306
Saturday 6'2" 295


Mack arguably the best Center in the league 6'4" 311
Kelce arguably the 2nd best Center is 6'3" 295
Raiola arguably the 3rd best Center in the league is 6'1" 295

Besides we have a vertically challenged QB and there is a reason the majority of his passes are between the guards
Marcus Martin - USC... 6'-3", 320
2nd rounder - New Orleans
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Marcus Martin - USC... 6'-3", 320

2nd rounder - New Orleans

Need to see how he handles NFL caliber defenders.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p.../marcus-martin

WEAKNESSES: Only has one year of starting experience at center and is likely to remain at this position in the NFL due to his less than ideal height. Plays very low, which gives him a natural leverage advantage but also makes him prone to effective swim moves from taller defenders. Relies on his punch too much, over-extending and getting himself off-balance.

Spends too much time on the ground because he attempts to knock defenders over rather than simply mirroring them or working to sustain his blocks. Can be a step late in reacting to surprise blitzes. Good quickness to the second level but doesn't redirect well.

COMPARES TO: Alex Mack, Cleveland Browns -- Mack was among the more polished and talented centers in recent history when he left Cal and was selected by the Browns with the 21st overall pick of the 2009 draft. Martin isn't yet at this stage but his upside is clear, as is his grit and physicality. With dedication to his craft, Martin could emerge as a quality starter in the NFL.


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A lot of time on the ground doesn't bode well for pass protection.

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Need to see how he handles NFL caliber defenders.

Marcus Martin, C, Southern California, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

WEAKNESSES: Only has one year of starting experience at center and is likely to remain at this position in the NFL due to his less than ideal height. Plays very low, which gives him a natural leverage advantage but also makes him prone to effective swim moves from taller defenders. Relies on his punch too much, over-extending and getting himself off-balance.

Spends too much time on the ground because he attempts to knock defenders over rather than simply mirroring them or working to sustain his blocks. Can be a step late in reacting to surprise blitzes. Good quickness to the second level but doesn't redirect well.

COMPARES TO: Alex Mack, Cleveland Browns -- Mack was among the more polished and talented centers in recent history when he left Cal and was selected by the Browns with the 21st overall pick of the 2009 draft. Martin isn't yet at this stage but his upside is clear, as is his grit and physicality. With dedication to his craft, Martin could emerge as a quality starter in the NFL.


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A lot of time on the ground doesn't bode well for pass protection.
STRENGTHS: Only a third-year collegiate player but already boasts the frame of an NFL interior lineman, possessing the naturally thick build conducive to playing in the trenches. Good quickness off the snap, showing the ability to get to the second level as well as seal defenders to create running lanes.

Possesses good core flexibility and natural knee bend to help him anchor against bull rushes. Slides well laterally to mirror pass rushers and keeps his head on a swivel to help teammates.

Plays with some nastiness. Plays to the whistle and isn't opposed to getting an extra shot in as the whistle blows. A good athlete whose flaws are coachable, suggesting that his best football is still ahead of him.

Looks like his time on the ground is because he goes for the pancake instead of simply mirroring defenders, very coachable. Like a LB that goes for the kill shot instead of wrapping up.
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STRENGTHS: Only a third-year collegiate player but already boasts the frame of an NFL interior lineman, possessing the naturally thick build conducive to playing in the trenches. Good quickness off the snap, showing the ability to get to the second level as well as seal defenders to create running lanes.

Possesses good core flexibility and natural knee bend to help him anchor against bull rushes. Slides well laterally to mirror pass rushers and keeps his head on a swivel to help teammates.

Plays with some nastiness. Plays to the whistle and isn't opposed to getting an extra shot in as the whistle blows. A good athlete whose flaws are coachable, suggesting that his best football is still ahead of him.

Looks like his time on the ground is because he goes for the pancake instead of simply mirroring defenders, very coachable. Like a LB that goes for the kill shot instead of wrapping up.
We shall see... Only 1 year starting experience since High School.
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STRENGTHS: Only a third-year collegiate player but already boasts the frame of an NFL interior lineman, possessing the naturally thick build conducive to playing in the trenches. Good quickness off the snap, showing the ability to get to the second level as well as seal defenders to create running lanes.

Possesses good core flexibility and natural knee bend to help him anchor against bull rushes. Slides well laterally to mirror pass rushers and keeps his head on a swivel to help teammates.

Plays with some nastiness. Plays to the whistle and isn't opposed to getting an extra shot in as the whistle blows. A good athlete whose flaws are coachable, suggesting that his best football is still ahead of him.

Looks like his time on the ground is because he goes for the pancake instead of simply mirroring defenders, very coachable. Like a LB that goes for the kill shot instead of wrapping up.
I've been high on this kid since I first saw film on him and read the scouting reports on him. There is a lot to love about him.
Only having a year starting experience does throw up a red flag and it might be too high of an investment for a second round pick.
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