Conversion From Man to Zone Blocking Benefits Mark Ingram, Saints Offense

Euphoria · 04-27-2014, 05:41 PM

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jeanpierre · 04-27-2014, 11:26 AM

So Alabama-alum running backs are only productive in zone blocking schemes?!?

What happened when the Alabama-alum running back went from Cleveland to Indy?!? if they're similar systems, why did he struggle to transition/produce in Indy?!?

Seer1 · 04-27-2014, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So Alabama-alum running backs are only productive in zone blocking schemes?!?

What happened when the Alabama-alum running back went from Cleveland to Indy?!? if they're similar systems, why did he struggle to transition/produce in Indy?!?

Makes me wonder if it's just hard for some to play when carrying that many bags of cash around with them. There was a reason Cleveland let him go...

Danno · 04-27-2014, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So Alabama-alum running backs are only productive in zone blocking schemes?!?

What happened when the Alabama-alum running back went from Cleveland to Indy?!? if they're similar systems, why did he struggle to transition/produce in Indy?!?

As he stated, both Cleveland and Indy do not run ZBS.

The only RB from Bama that went to a ZBS was Eddie Lacy, who has looked very good.

In fact, I would have guessed the worst of the Bama 3 would have been Lacy, then Ingram with Richardson being the cream of the crop. I got it exactly backwards, so far.

TheOak · 04-27-2014, 10:39 PM

I didn't buy the line last week and I still don't. The authors reasoning behind the Saints switching to a ZBS because of Ingram doesn't hold water.

The switch happened in a year we got a new line coach..... Not in the year we picked up Ingram.

I don't see Sean Payton changing how we block as a whole for the RB with the second most carries by a long shot.

All the RBs ran better at the end of the season.

A hole between G&T is a hole, a RB doesn't care how it was made.

The articles authors logic is a reach that completely ignores a lot of issues that make his argument invalid.

Danno · 04-28-2014, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I didn't buy the line last week and I still don't. The authors reasoning behind the Saints switching to a ZBS because of Ingram doesn't hold water.

The switch happened in a year we got a new line coach..... Not in the year we picked up Ingram.

I don't see Sean Payton changing how we block as a whole for the RB with the second most carries by a long shot.

All the RBs ran better at the end of the season.

A hole between G&T is a hole, a RB doesn't care how it was made.

The articles authors logic is a reach that completely ignores a lot of issues that make his argument invalid.

I thought it was a very good explanation of the ZBS but you're right. Just because its something Ingram has had success running behind before doesn't mean we switched our system just for him.

And like you said, all of our RB's struggled at first, or I should say all of our linemen struggled at first, but the O-line improvement toward the end of the season was obvious.

Good read, weak correlation.

TheOak · 04-28-2014, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I thought it was a very good explanation of the ZBS but you're right. Just because its something Ingram has had success running behind before doesn't mean we switched our system just for him.

And like you said, all of our RB's struggled at first, or I should say all of our linemen struggled at first, but the O-line improvement toward the end of the season was obvious.

Good read, weak correlation.

I loved the breakdown of the ZBS, he did do a great job on that.

At the beginning of the year our RBs were getting tackled 1-2 yards behind the Line of scrimmage, whether that was the lines fault or the RBs fault it was consistent between our running plays.

After the BYE week things started clicking for either the o-line or RBs and we ran better the last 1/2 of the season.

One of the glaring items that shines a light on the lack of correlation is that if a ZBS makes Ingram run better he should have ran better than everyone else early in the season. Which he didn't.

Any RB will tell you, if a 2 foot hole is made for him to run through, whether the T/G both crisscrossed or they both blocked forward down field... A hole is a hole.

I feel like in rambling now lol so I'll stop. I'm on some heavy duty pain killers.

I think the correlations between ZBS, Alabama players, and NFL is somewhat coincidence. Those Bama players are running behind different o-lines and facing different opponents so it's not really an apples to apples comparison.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Conversion From Man to Zone Blocking Benefits Mark Ingram, Saints Offense Originally Posted by jeanpierre So Alabama-alum running backs are only productive in zone blocking schemes?!? What happened when the Alabama-alum running back went from Cleveland to Indy?!? if they're similar systems, why did he struggle to transition/produce in Indy?!? Makes me wonder if it's just hard for some to play when carrying that many bags of cash around with them. There was a reason Cleveland let him go...

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,653	Re: Conversion From Man to Zone Blocking Benefits Mark Ingram, Saints Offense Originally Posted by jeanpierre So Alabama-alum running backs are only productive in zone blocking schemes?!? What happened when the Alabama-alum running back went from Cleveland to Indy?!? if they're similar systems, why did he struggle to transition/produce in Indy?!? As he stated, both Cleveland and Indy do not run ZBS. The only RB from Bama that went to a ZBS was Eddie Lacy, who has looked very good. In fact, I would have guessed the worst of the Bama 3 would have been Lacy, then Ingram with Richardson being the cream of the crop. I got it exactly backwards, so far.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Conversion From Man to Zone Blocking Benefits Mark Ingram, Saints Offense I didn't buy the line last week and I still don't. The authors reasoning behind the Saints switching to a ZBS because of Ingram doesn't hold water. The switch happened in a year we got a new line coach..... Not in the year we picked up Ingram. I don't see Sean Payton changing how we block as a whole for the RB with the second most carries by a long shot. All the RBs ran better at the end of the season. A hole between G&T is a hole, a RB doesn't care how it was made. The articles authors logic is a reach that completely ignores a lot of issues that make his argument invalid.
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04-28-2014, 07:59 AM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,653	Re: Conversion From Man to Zone Blocking Benefits Mark Ingram, Saints Offense Originally Posted by TheOak I didn't buy the line last week and I still don't. The authors reasoning behind the Saints switching to a ZBS because of Ingram doesn't hold water. The switch happened in a year we got a new line coach..... Not in the year we picked up Ingram. I don't see Sean Payton changing how we block as a whole for the RB with the second most carries by a long shot. All the RBs ran better at the end of the season. A hole between G&T is a hole, a RB doesn't care how it was made. The articles authors logic is a reach that completely ignores a lot of issues that make his argument invalid. I thought it was a very good explanation of the ZBS but you're right. Just because its something Ingram has had success running behind before doesn't mean we switched our system just for him. And like you said, all of our RB's struggled at first, or I should say all of our linemen struggled at first, but the O-line improvement toward the end of the season was obvious. Good read, weak correlation. TheOak likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Conversion From Man to Zone Blocking Benefits Mark Ingram, Saints Offense Originally Posted by Danno I thought it was a very good explanation of the ZBS but you're right. Just because its something Ingram has had success running behind before doesn't mean we switched our system just for him. And like you said, all of our RB's struggled at first, or I should say all of our linemen struggled at first, but the O-line improvement toward the end of the season was obvious. Good read, weak correlation. I loved the breakdown of the ZBS, he did do a great job on that. At the beginning of the year our RBs were getting tackled 1-2 yards behind the Line of scrimmage, whether that was the lines fault or the RBs fault it was consistent between our running plays. After the BYE week things started clicking for either the o-line or RBs and we ran better the last 1/2 of the season. One of the glaring items that shines a light on the lack of correlation is that if a ZBS makes Ingram run better he should have ran better than everyone else early in the season. Which he didn't. Any RB will tell you, if a 2 foot hole is made for him to run through, whether the T/G both crisscrossed or they both blocked forward down field... A hole is a hole. I feel like in rambling now lol so I'll stop. I'm on some heavy duty pain killers. I think the correlations between ZBS, Alabama players, and NFL is somewhat coincidence. Those Bama players are running behind different o-lines and facing different opponents so it's not really an apples to apples comparison.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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