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dizzle88 05-10-2014 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 592343)
Diz, how about the Patriots, Ravens and 49ers...
Thats true, those teams do have quite a lot of picks every year but they arguably have more holes to address on their team than we do

We hardly ever have more than 7 picks in a draft and yet we always make it work, plus like danno said, if we started getting like 13 picks a draft - its likely 5 of those guys don't make the team because we are so good at finding and developing UDFA's

AsylumGuido 05-10-2014 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 592343)
Diz, how about the Patriots, Ravens and 49ers...
And since 2006, coincidentally the year Loomis and Payton teamed up, the Saints have won as many Super Bowls as those three franchises combined! That's right, how 'bout them?

mighty12 05-10-2014 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 592350)
And since 2006, coincidentally the year Loomis and Payton teamed up, the Saints have won as many Super Bowls as those three franchises combined! That's right, how 'bout them?
+1

rezburna 05-10-2014 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 592296)
I can't look at this and say there were plenty of guys we could have got later that play like this.

rezburna 05-10-2014 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 592315)
Rez, you're right, in so much that you don't fix a team in one draft...

But consider...

One, this is the deepest draft, possibly in twenty-five years...

Two, the more picks you have, the better you're chances of hitting good players...

Three, if the players that could have been selected with those extra picks would be an improvement over existing talented - why would the fact that they are rookies handicap them from winning a championship?!?
I agree with the premise, it's just that we obviously aren't building for the future. We're building for now. Looking for immediate impact.

lee909 05-10-2014 11:25 AM
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For me the talent drop from the best prospect in rounds 1/2 to the mid range back end guys is far more than the round 5-7 and UDFA.

jeanpierre 05-10-2014 11:26 AM
Re: I don't like the trade
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 592350)
And since 2006, coincidentally the year Loomis and Payton teamed up, the Saints have won as many Super Bowls as those three franchises combined! That's right, how 'bout them?
Superbowls, yes...

Playoff wins? Division Titles?

jeanpierre 05-10-2014 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 592372)
I agree with the premise, it's just that we obviously aren't building for the future. We're building for now. Looking for immediate impact.
You're right about the future is now; I just prefer reloading to rebuilding...

And we're set to a course to rebuild...

rezburna 05-10-2014 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 592377)
Superbowls, yes...

Playoff wins? Division Titles?
All that only matters if you get to pick 32nd. Every season you don't win it all is a waste of time. Brees gets a little older, and the window closes a little more until we're comfortable with who's behind him.

jeanpierre 05-10-2014 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 592367)
I can't look at this and say there were plenty of guys we could have got later that play like this.
True, but Bush had the same highlight reel in college...

My concerns are his size; he geauxs across the middle like Lance did on some routes - he may not walk off the field...

rezburna 05-10-2014 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 592383)
True, but Bush had the same highlight reel in college...

My concerns are his size; he geauxs across the middle like Lance did on some routes - he may not walk off the field...
True about Bush. Very true. That's the same conference as USC too isn't it?

But yeah, he's bigger then Lance though. Far more solid and cut up. And about 30x faster. The thing that impresses me is his route running. I think he'll know how to settle down in routes or keep going across the middle in order to protect his body.

TheOak 05-10-2014 12:30 PM
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It's not worth arguing over, a select group of kids count Christmas presents and will not be happy until the count is in their favor.

What the bigger gamble the guy that was a stud in college that may not do it in the NFL or 2 guys that couldn't be studs in college?

RailBoss 05-10-2014 06:00 PM
Re: I don't like the trade
 
Someone will be going guaranteed.

Danno 05-10-2014 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 593030)
Someone will be going guaranteed.
I'm confused. What?

NoZone504 05-10-2014 06:05 PM
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Cooks will be a big time player for us.. And I expect him to contribute next year in the return game.


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