Saints sign 12 undrafted free agents

Seer1 · 05-11-2014, 11:36 PM

Yep, there'll be a bright spot or two yet to come if we hold true to form.

Beastmode · 05-12-2014, 12:05 AM

Mike Golic got cut last season. Not sure why we signed him to a 2 year deal.

hagan714 · 05-12-2014, 08:03 AM

it will be interesting to see how this group shakes out in camp alone with the invitees

hagan714 · 05-12-2014, 08:31 AM

Steve Hull Illinois, WR/SS/ST 6'1 198 4.56

three injury-filled seasons at safety (shoulder) moved back to WR per doctors orders and had a solid year. Big thing i believe for him is he played on all 4 units of special teams at Illi.

cowboy2020 · 05-12-2014, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, we made some interesting signings, there were other candidates that I'm disappointed we didn't sign or draft in latter rounds. Some thoughts on the fresh fish...

◾ Rutgers WR Brandon Coleman
Great, great Physical Traits; Average Speed; Knack for the Highlight Catch, Drops Routine Catches; Undisciplined Route Runner; Problems can be fixed with player commitment and coaching...

◾ Sam Houston State RB Timothy Flanders Jr.
Oklahoma St signee, transferred after Redshirt Year to SH St and proceeded to dominate Southland Conference play; built similar to Dalton Hilliard type of RB; shifty, quick, stout though to breakaway speed; will challenge for a roster spot among the RB corps; player to watch...

◾ BYU LB Spencer Hadley
Smallish LB with above avarage agility; poor straight-speed; BYU honorcode violation came to light when rival Utah fan took pictures of Vegas Partying - meh, he could've done worse; has had multiple injuries and at 24 years old, is at best special teams player...

◾ Valdosta State WR Seantavious Jones

Good Size, doesn't play to clocked speed; rounds off routes rather than agile, explosive cuts, decent production; bench receiver at best that likely won't make a commitment to special teams...

◾ Middle Tennessee State QB Logan Kilgore
Would rather have had his teammate OL Josh Walker; scrappy, productive producing quarterback; does have some good training (former Bengal QB Ken Anderson which is as good as the Manning school of quarterbacking; yes, I have his book somewhere); signed with Bus Cook, same agent who brought us the protracted retirement of Brett Favre...

◾ Michigan State DT Micajah Reynolds
Above Average athlete that can seem to translate skills to the football field; has bounced between Offensive Guard to Defensive Tackle and may now be headed back to Guard; Coaching Staff may need to spend some time with signee to find out what makes him tick to get him on track; story to follow through camp; the fact that he played defensive lineman may have interesting affect on him as a Guard...

◾ USC DT George Uko
Similar player to Akiem Hicks; Needs Conditioning/Strength Training; Subpar to Average Lower Body Athleticism - maybe coordination exercises, even dancing may improve...

◾ Jacksonville State S Pierre Warren
Player with physical tools that doesn't seem committed to developing himself as an athlete or individual - admitted upon his announcing early entrance into the NFL draft he was thinking about his NFL career while his collegiate team was in the playoffs; no commitment in the weight room; so what will he do to make things different?!?

◾ Kansas State S Ty Zimmerman

Not knowing we'd sign him, his signing makes the fifth round pick of Sunseri moot; same safety; Zimmerman has had his share of injuries, but when on the field, he's a leader, signal caller, playmaker; if he makes the team, which I would love to see, we wasted a pick on Sunseri...

◾ Colorado DE Chidera Uzo-Diribe

Nice Signing, very similar "tweener" to Junior Galette; long arms, strong bull rush; even has a nifty counter spin move; like Galette, seems only interested in getting after the passer and is vulnerable against the run mostly due to a non-commitment to stopping the run; flaws are correctable based on player/coaching commitment...

◾ GVSU OL Matt Armstrong

Well Hello, Grand Valley State; decorated Center for the Lakers (Grand Valley State) and former teammate of current Saints' Center Candidate Tim Lelito; ideal late round/UDRFA with good size for the position; early injury at the NFL combine restricted him from full participation; that GVSU mine may yield another nugget for the Saints...

◾ Notre Dame DT Mike Golic Jr.
awaiting for yet another reality TV show entitled "Golics"; novelty signing...

◾ Summary

With the exception of Golic, Warren and Jones, have gotten more excited about the Undrafted Rookie Class than our disappointing performance in the draft...

I dont know where you goy your facts on Pierre Warren but lets go over them...While he was thinking about turning pro during the play off run, all he did was against Samford...Fumble recovery and numerous big hits...against Mcnesse State...Interception, forced fumble and fumble recovery...Against Eastern Washington...forced fumble and interception....While we are at it, lets look at the whole season...76 tackles; 2nd on team, 5 int....led team 17 passes defended, led team and 3 fumble recoveries, led team and the QB of the defense at JSU. Oh and by the way his commitment as a person...he would have graduated this spring. So I dont know where you get your facts from but they are totally off on this young man.

SaintsBro · 05-12-2014, 01:34 PM

I think if you're gonna lambast an UDFA for having an attitude or motivation problem, and you want to stick to the upstanding, solid, reliable known-quantity camp bodies, then you gotta be prepared to PAY FOR THEM. And they cost money.

But if you get 4 or 5 low-pick or UDFA guys on this team, who have minor "attitude problems" or dedication problems, or flaws, or slip ups.... Let's get real for a minute, none of these guys really have a character flaw of a huge honking Aaron Hernandez "red flag" type variety. They have the skills, you can coach them up -- but Loomis can also talk each of them DOWN to bare-bones, rock bottom league minimum and not a penny more! And if you get 2 or 3 or 4 of them to do that, then if enough of them do it then you've maybe saved a million or so bucks on the salary cap...and believe me, every penny counts these days.

I think we Saints fans need to get used to seeing more picks and signings like this.....it's what they've always been doing, and we are gonna need a whole team of scrappy young diamonds-in-the-rough playing well beyond their supposed ceilings, to surround Drew, Graham, and our soon-to-be-paid studs on defense. The days of picking up the Joe Obvious Really Great All American Player for the Saints are pretty much over, because we can't afford them under the cap. We have to pick up a few "damaged goods" prospects, like Akiem Hicks from Canada, or "troubled" Carl Nicks, or Joe "I will sleep it off in the car" Morgan...the Saints thrive on those type of situations.

QBREES9 · 05-12-2014, 02:17 PM

Good Luck Notre Dame's C/G Mike Golic Jr.

Audiotom · 05-12-2014, 02:26 PM

we really need a center

Barry from MS · 05-12-2014, 07:09 PM

My 3 favorites from the 2014 UDFA pool:

Flanders Jr: - small college RB transfer from Oklahoma St with numerous records broken in college...love the thought of the Superdome chanting "Timmy! Timmy!".

Uzo-Diribe: Good physical skills, and he also brings a lot of potential in the nickname department. I like 'Uzi'.

Armstrong: if he can only make it to and from the practice field without pulling a hammy...this kid is about as injury-prone as I was in my short-tenured baseball career. But he shows resilience considering all those tweaks and pulls and bruises; that's gotta count for something. Lesser men (like myself) would have given up that dream by now...he has "Will & Determination" and you can't coach "Will & Determination". Small school dude, too. I'm a sucker for the small school guys.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Saints sign 12 undrafted free agents Yep, there'll be a bright spot or two yet to come if we hold true to form.

05-12-2014, 12:05 AM	#12
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Saints sign 12 undrafted free agents Mike Golic got cut last season. Not sure why we signed him to a 2 year deal.
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05-12-2014, 08:03 AM	#13
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints sign 12 undrafted free agents it will be interesting to see how this group shakes out in camp alone with the invitees

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints sign 12 undrafted free agents Steve Hull Illinois, WR/SS/ST 6'1 198 4.56 three injury-filled seasons at safety (shoulder) moved back to WR per doctors orders and had a solid year. Big thing i believe for him is he played on all 4 units of special teams at Illi.

05-12-2014, 12:01 PM	#15
cowboy2020 Rookie Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 1	Re: Saints sign 12 undrafted free agents Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, we made some interesting signings, there were other candidates that I'm disappointed we didn't sign or draft in latter rounds. Some thoughts on the fresh fish... ◾ Rutgers WR Brandon Coleman Great, great Physical Traits; Average Speed; Knack for the Highlight Catch, Drops Routine Catches; Undisciplined Route Runner; Problems can be fixed with player commitment and coaching... ◾ Sam Houston State RB Timothy Flanders Jr. Oklahoma St signee, transferred after Redshirt Year to SH St and proceeded to dominate Southland Conference play; built similar to Dalton Hilliard type of RB; shifty, quick, stout though to breakaway speed; will challenge for a roster spot among the RB corps; player to watch... ◾ BYU LB Spencer Hadley Smallish LB with above avarage agility; poor straight-speed; BYU honorcode violation came to light when rival Utah fan took pictures of Vegas Partying - meh, he could've done worse; has had multiple injuries and at 24 years old, is at best special teams player... ◾ Valdosta State WR Seantavious Jones Good Size, doesn't play to clocked speed; rounds off routes rather than agile, explosive cuts, decent production; bench receiver at best that likely won't make a commitment to special teams... ◾ Middle Tennessee State QB Logan Kilgore Would rather have had his teammate OL Josh Walker; scrappy, productive producing quarterback; does have some good training (former Bengal QB Ken Anderson which is as good as the Manning school of quarterbacking; yes, I have his book somewhere); signed with Bus Cook, same agent who brought us the protracted retirement of Brett Favre... ◾ Michigan State DT Micajah Reynolds Above Average athlete that can seem to translate skills to the football field; has bounced between Offensive Guard to Defensive Tackle and may now be headed back to Guard; Coaching Staff may need to spend some time with signee to find out what makes him tick to get him on track; story to follow through camp; the fact that he played defensive lineman may have interesting affect on him as a Guard... ◾ USC DT George Uko Similar player to Akiem Hicks; Needs Conditioning/Strength Training; Subpar to Average Lower Body Athleticism - maybe coordination exercises, even dancing may improve... ◾ Jacksonville State S Pierre Warren Player with physical tools that doesn't seem committed to developing himself as an athlete or individual - admitted upon his announcing early entrance into the NFL draft he was thinking about his NFL career while his collegiate team was in the playoffs; no commitment in the weight room; so what will he do to make things different?!? ◾ Kansas State S Ty Zimmerman Not knowing we'd sign him, his signing makes the fifth round pick of Sunseri moot; same safety; Zimmerman has had his share of injuries, but when on the field, he's a leader, signal caller, playmaker; if he makes the team, which I would love to see, we wasted a pick on Sunseri... ◾ Colorado DE Chidera Uzo-Diribe Nice Signing, very similar "tweener" to Junior Galette; long arms, strong bull rush; even has a nifty counter spin move; like Galette, seems only interested in getting after the passer and is vulnerable against the run mostly due to a non-commitment to stopping the run; flaws are correctable based on player/coaching commitment... ◾ GVSU OL Matt Armstrong Well Hello, Grand Valley State; decorated Center for the Lakers (Grand Valley State) and former teammate of current Saints' Center Candidate Tim Lelito; ideal late round/UDRFA with good size for the position; early injury at the NFL combine restricted him from full participation; that GVSU mine may yield another nugget for the Saints... ◾ Notre Dame DT Mike Golic Jr. awaiting for yet another reality TV show entitled "Golics"; novelty signing... ◾ Summary With the exception of Golic, Warren and Jones, have gotten more excited about the Undrafted Rookie Class than our disappointing performance in the draft... I dont know where you goy your facts on Pierre Warren but lets go over them...While he was thinking about turning pro during the play off run, all he did was against Samford...Fumble recovery and numerous big hits...against Mcnesse State...Interception, forced fumble and fumble recovery...Against Eastern Washington...forced fumble and interception....While we are at it, lets look at the whole season...76 tackles; 2nd on team, 5 int....led team 17 passes defended, led team and 3 fumble recoveries, led team and the QB of the defense at JSU. Oh and by the way his commitment as a person...he would have graduated this spring. So I dont know where you get your facts from but they are totally off on this young man.
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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints sign 12 undrafted free agents I think if you're gonna lambast an UDFA for having an attitude or motivation problem, and you want to stick to the upstanding, solid, reliable known-quantity camp bodies, then you gotta be prepared to PAY FOR THEM. And they cost money. But if you get 4 or 5 low-pick or UDFA guys on this team, who have minor "attitude problems" or dedication problems, or flaws, or slip ups.... Let's get real for a minute, none of these guys really have a character flaw of a huge honking Aaron Hernandez "red flag" type variety. They have the skills, you can coach them up -- but Loomis can also talk each of them DOWN to bare-bones, rock bottom league minimum and not a penny more! And if you get 2 or 3 or 4 of them to do that, then if enough of them do it then you've maybe saved a million or so bucks on the salary cap...and believe me, every penny counts these days. I think we Saints fans need to get used to seeing more picks and signings like this.....it's what they've always been doing, and we are gonna need a whole team of scrappy young diamonds-in-the-rough playing well beyond their supposed ceilings, to surround Drew, Graham, and our soon-to-be-paid studs on defense. The days of picking up the Joe Obvious Really Great All American Player for the Saints are pretty much over, because we can't afford them under the cap. We have to pick up a few "damaged goods" prospects, like Akiem Hicks from Canada, or "troubled" Carl Nicks, or Joe "I will sleep it off in the car" Morgan...the Saints thrive on those type of situations.

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Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints sign 12 undrafted free agents My 3 favorites from the 2014 UDFA pool: Flanders Jr: - small college RB transfer from Oklahoma St with numerous records broken in college...love the thought of the Superdome chanting "Timmy! Timmy!". Uzo-Diribe: Good physical skills, and he also brings a lot of potential in the nickname department. I like 'Uzi'. Armstrong: if he can only make it to and from the practice field without pulling a hammy...this kid is about as injury-prone as I was in my short-tenured baseball career. But he shows resilience considering all those tweaks and pulls and bruises; that's gotta count for something. Lesser men (like myself) would have given up that dream by now...he has "Will & Determination" and you can't coach "Will & Determination". Small school dude, too. I'm a sucker for the small school guys.
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