Saints expected to sign Jonathan Goodwin, sources say(DONE DEAL)

saintsfan1976 · 06-03-2014, 05:43 AM

Those griping about Goodwin; What are our other options?

Jack Vegas · 06-03-2014, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Those griping about Goodwin; What are our other options?

Who's griping? Who's complaining? I don't see it.

But like Kreutz he is a guy on the tail end of his career whose name is much bigger than his performance. That's fine as an insurance/depth guy, but if he ends up starting that says to me we aren't very good at center.

I could be wrong, but I really don't think so. I fully expect Lelito to win the job hands-down. He has all the physical tools and from what I've read the smarts. Actually in terms of his size and athletic ability he is very reminiscent of a young Jonathan Goodwin....

And as I recall there were quite a few people on various message boards who thought Goodwin starting would be a total disaster after we let Jeff Faine leave. True story.

|Mitch| · 06-03-2014, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

And as I recall there were quite a few people on various message boards who thought Goodwin starting would be a total disaster after we let Jeff Faine leave. True story.

Just wondering; what does that have to do with the present situation?

Jack Vegas · 06-03-2014, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Just wondering; what does that have to do with the present situation?

It has everything to do with the present situation. You don't see it? Faine was a "name" player where Goodwin was not. Now Goodwin is a "name" player and Lelito is not.

Hell Kreutz was a name player and De la Puente was a total nobody. The point is, just because more people know who a player is, that doesn't mean he's automatically better than the anonymous second or third year guy.

|Mitch| · 06-03-2014, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

The point is, just because more people know who a player is, that doesn't mean he's automatically better than the anonymous second or third year guy.

And it doesn't automatically mean that the unknown player is better than the named guy, which is what you are arguing. No one has seen how Lelito/Armstrong will fare at center and no one knows if Goodwin can beat them out.

Everyone should quit their *****ing and know that whoever is the best will be starting...

Jack Vegas · 06-03-2014, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

And it doesn't automatically mean that the unknown player is better than the named guy, which is what you are arguing.

In this case I am, because Goodwin doesn't appear to be very good anymore. I will refer you back to the opinions of 49ers fans, they would know better than us at this point. And they wanted him benched in the middle of last season.

I got no problem with him as the bench guy. I don't really even have a problem with him as starter if he wins the job....I just think if that's the case it means we are going to be weak at that position.

saintsfan1976 · 06-03-2014, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

In this case I am, because Goodwin doesn't appear to be very good anymore. I will refer you back to the opinions of 49ers fans, they would know better than us at this point. And they wanted him benched in the middle of last season.

I got no problem with him as the bench guy. I don't really even have a problem with him as starter if he wins the job....I just think if that's the case it means we are going to be weak at that position.

He's good enough to play between two all pro guards and in front of a HOF QB. All of a sudden I'm a lot more comfortable at center than I was last season.

FinSaint · 06-03-2014, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

In this case I am, because Goodwin doesn't appear to be very good anymore. I will refer you back to the opinions of 49ers fans, they would know better than us at this point. And they wanted him benched in the middle of last season.

I got no problem with him as the bench guy. I don't really even have a problem with him as starter if he wins the job....I just think if that's the case it means we are going to be weak at that position.

I would perhaps take those negative comments by the 49ers fans with a grain of salt, since playing center for someone like Kaepernick is very different to what it is to be playing with someone like Brees.

To me, Kapernick is someone who'll frustrate the O-line players time and time again with his (seemingly) improv-style of playing the QB position, whereas Brees is more predictable in his movements after the snap and, therefore, easier to protect from taking hits.

IMO, the Saints need a big bodied center to alleviate the interior pressure, which we all know is a killer for Brees and in which DLP struggled mightily and that is probably the biggest reason why he is gone. Goodwin could end up being a great fit even with somewhat diminished physical attributes from the last time he wore the black & gold, while allowing Lelito and perhaps Armstrong to take some more time to prepare themselves for the starting role.

blackangold · 06-04-2014, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

And it doesn't automatically mean that the unknown player is better than the named guy, which is what you are arguing. No one has seen how Lelito/Armstrong will fare at center and no one knows if Goodwin can beat them out.

Everyone should quit their *****ing and know that whoever is the best will be starting...

I think this is the key.

The best player should get the start so this is a no-lose situation for the team. I do hope Lelito beats him out but if he is unable to I wouldn't want the guy starting. Worst case is Goodwin gets beat out but provides depth for the interior line.

SloMotion · 06-04-2014, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

San Fran has a completely different blocking scheme/system than we do. Goodwin was a top-flight free agent when San Fran signed him; ask 9'ers fans 3 years ago how happy they were to get him. He is familiar with what we do, and I like the fact that Lelito AND Armstrong have to beat Goodwin out to start and/or make the 53. Both those young'uns can learn from JG, too, during the preseason. Can't wait to see how this develops.

He was good enough to start/play all games during his tenure there, just sayin' ... IDK how much stock I'm gonna' put into any Whiner's fan comments ... he'll be alright,

. Worse case scenario, he & Champ Bailey smell up the locker room with Icy Hot, give interviews from the hot tub/ice baths and help coach up the youngsters on the roster ... you got big, bad N-drama-kong & Nick Fairley on the road Wk #7 (1pm EDT, Fox), you're gonna' be glad Goodwin's on your team, bet.

.

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I would perhaps take those negative comments by the 49ers fans with a grain of salt, since playing center for someone like Kaepernick is very different to what it is to be playing with someone like Brees.

To me, Kapernick is someone who'll frustrate the O-line players time and time again with his (seemingly) improv-style of playing the QB position, whereas Brees is more predictable in his movements after the snap and, therefore, easier to protect from taking hits.

IMO, the Saints need a big bodied center to alleviate the interior pressure, which we all know is a killer for Brees and in which DLP struggled mightily and that is probably the biggest reason why he is gone. Goodwin could end up being a great fit even with somewhat diminished physical attributes from the last time he wore the black & gold, while allowing Lelito and perhaps Armstrong to take some more time to prepare themselves for the starting role.

Exactly, with the way Kaepernick scrambles around, he wreaks havoc on blocking schemes. Sure, he makes plays with his feet but at the end of the day, your O/L needs a group counseling session to get their heads back on straight,

.

I like the old vets who still got something left in the tank & it's indicative of the Saints' knack for filling the holes/needs in their roster not always in the most conventional manner ... but filling them nonetheless ... for as much as the Lions try to copy the Saints, this is the one extremely important aspect they have yet to master, <sigh>.

06-03-2014, 05:43 AM	#1
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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Saints expected to sign Jonathan Goodwin, sources say(DONE DEAL) Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Those griping about Goodwin; What are our other options? Who's griping? Who's complaining? I don't see it. But like Kreutz he is a guy on the tail end of his career whose name is much bigger than his performance. That's fine as an insurance/depth guy, but if he ends up starting that says to me we aren't very good at center. I could be wrong, but I really don't think so. I fully expect Lelito to win the job hands-down. He has all the physical tools and from what I've read the smarts. Actually in terms of his size and athletic ability he is very reminiscent of a young Jonathan Goodwin.... And as I recall there were quite a few people on various message boards who thought Goodwin starting would be a total disaster after we let Jeff Faine leave. True story. Danno likes this.
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints expected to sign Jonathan Goodwin, sources say(DONE DEAL) Originally Posted by Jack Vegas And as I recall there were quite a few people on various message boards who thought Goodwin starting would be a total disaster after we let Jeff Faine leave. True story. Just wondering; what does that have to do with the present situation?

06-03-2014, 05:12 PM	#4
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Saints expected to sign Jonathan Goodwin, sources say(DONE DEAL) Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Just wondering; what does that have to do with the present situation? It has everything to do with the present situation. You don't see it? Faine was a "name" player where Goodwin was not. Now Goodwin is a "name" player and Lelito is not. Hell Kreutz was a name player and De la Puente was a total nobody. The point is, just because more people know who a player is, that doesn't mean he's automatically better than the anonymous second or third year guy.
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints expected to sign Jonathan Goodwin, sources say(DONE DEAL) Originally Posted by Jack Vegas The point is, just because more people know who a player is, that doesn't mean he's automatically better than the anonymous second or third year guy. And it doesn't automatically mean that the unknown player is better than the named guy, which is what you are arguing. No one has seen how Lelito/Armstrong will fare at center and no one knows if Goodwin can beat them out. Everyone should quit their *****ing and know that whoever is the best will be starting...

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Saints expected to sign Jonathan Goodwin, sources say(DONE DEAL) Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| And it doesn't automatically mean that the unknown player is better than the named guy, which is what you are arguing. In this case I am, because Goodwin doesn't appear to be very good anymore. I will refer you back to the opinions of 49ers fans, they would know better than us at this point. And they wanted him benched in the middle of last season. I got no problem with him as the bench guy. I don't really even have a problem with him as starter if he wins the job....I just think if that's the case it means we are going to be weak at that position.
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06-03-2014, 09:24 PM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints expected to sign Jonathan Goodwin, sources say(DONE DEAL) Originally Posted by Jack Vegas In this case I am, because Goodwin doesn't appear to be very good anymore. I will refer you back to the opinions of 49ers fans, they would know better than us at this point. And they wanted him benched in the middle of last season. I got no problem with him as the bench guy. I don't really even have a problem with him as starter if he wins the job....I just think if that's the case it means we are going to be weak at that position. He's good enough to play between two all pro guards and in front of a HOF QB. All of a sudden I'm a lot more comfortable at center than I was last season.

06-03-2014, 10:50 PM	#8
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Saints expected to sign Jonathan Goodwin, sources say(DONE DEAL) Originally Posted by Jack Vegas In this case I am, because Goodwin doesn't appear to be very good anymore. I will refer you back to the opinions of 49ers fans, they would know better than us at this point. And they wanted him benched in the middle of last season. I got no problem with him as the bench guy. I don't really even have a problem with him as starter if he wins the job....I just think if that's the case it means we are going to be weak at that position. I would perhaps take those negative comments by the 49ers fans with a grain of salt, since playing center for someone like Kaepernick is very different to what it is to be playing with someone like Brees. To me, Kapernick is someone who'll frustrate the O-line players time and time again with his (seemingly) improv-style of playing the QB position, whereas Brees is more predictable in his movements after the snap and, therefore, easier to protect from taking hits. IMO, the Saints need a big bodied center to alleviate the interior pressure, which we all know is a killer for Brees and in which DLP struggled mightily and that is probably the biggest reason why he is gone. Goodwin could end up being a great fit even with somewhat diminished physical attributes from the last time he wore the black & gold, while allowing Lelito and perhaps Armstrong to take some more time to prepare themselves for the starting role. SloMotion likes this.
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06-04-2014, 12:27 AM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints expected to sign Jonathan Goodwin, sources say(DONE DEAL) Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| And it doesn't automatically mean that the unknown player is better than the named guy, which is what you are arguing. No one has seen how Lelito/Armstrong will fare at center and no one knows if Goodwin can beat them out. Everyone should quit their *****ing and know that whoever is the best will be starting... I think this is the key. The best player should get the start so this is a no-lose situation for the team. I do hope Lelito beats him out but if he is unable to I wouldn't want the guy starting. Worst case is Goodwin gets beat out but provides depth for the interior line.

06-04-2014, 05:04 AM	#10
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Saints expected to sign Jonathan Goodwin, sources say(DONE DEAL) Originally Posted by Barry from MS San Fran has a completely different blocking scheme/system than we do. Goodwin was a top-flight free agent when San Fran signed him; ask 9'ers fans 3 years ago how happy they were to get him. He is familiar with what we do, and I like the fact that Lelito AND Armstrong have to beat Goodwin out to start and/or make the 53. Both those young'uns can learn from JG, too, during the preseason. Can't wait to see how this develops. He was good enough to start/play all games during his tenure there, just sayin' ... IDK how much stock I'm gonna' put into any Whiner's fan comments ... he'll be alright, . Worse case scenario, he & Champ Bailey smell up the locker room with Icy Hot, give interviews from the hot tub/ice baths and help coach up the youngsters on the roster ... you got big, bad N-drama-kong & Nick Fairley on the road Wk #7 (1pm EDT, Fox), you're gonna' be glad Goodwin's on your team, bet. . Originally Posted by FinSaint I would perhaps take those negative comments by the 49ers fans with a grain of salt, since playing center for someone like Kaepernick is very different to what it is to be playing with someone like Brees. To me, Kapernick is someone who'll frustrate the O-line players time and time again with his (seemingly) improv-style of playing the QB position, whereas Brees is more predictable in his movements after the snap and, therefore, easier to protect from taking hits. IMO, the Saints need a big bodied center to alleviate the interior pressure, which we all know is a killer for Brees and in which DLP struggled mightily and that is probably the biggest reason why he is gone. Goodwin could end up being a great fit even with somewhat diminished physical attributes from the last time he wore the black & gold, while allowing Lelito and perhaps Armstrong to take some more time to prepare themselves for the starting role. Exactly, with the way Kaepernick scrambles around, he wreaks havoc on blocking schemes. Sure, he makes plays with his feet but at the end of the day, your O/L needs a group counseling session to get their heads back on straight, . I like the old vets who still got something left in the tank & it's indicative of the Saints' knack for filling the holes/needs in their roster not always in the most conventional manner ... but filling them nonetheless ... for as much as the Lions try to copy the Saints, this is the one extremely important aspect they have yet to master, <sigh>.

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