Knocks on Brees continue

dizzle88 · 06-08-2014, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

My knock is that he forces it way too much to Jimmy. Knowing Jimmy won't fight for it or alligator arm a catch.

Hopefully he won't have to do that as much with cooks in the lineup and a better running game to take some pressure off him

SaintsBro · 06-08-2014, 12:50 PM

Brees deserves some of the knocks he gets. His record outside the Dome, on the road against teams with winning records, is his Achilles heel that keeps him always behind Brady, Rodgers, etc. in all comparisons. If he can improve that, the conversation will change. If Brees had road numbers like Rodgers or like Brady and the Patriots, they would be basically neck in neck.

The difference between them all is the dip between Brees' stellar home game performances and his struggles and frequent mediocre performances in tough games on the road; Brady Rodgers and Manning and their corresponding teams may not win every road game they play, as I'm sure someone will point out, but they are generally more consistent across the board between home and away. That's the key.

brees84 · 06-08-2014, 01:03 PM

We tried to run the ball on our final drives. Only against Atlanta we were successful and milked the clock.. But they sucked on D. Biggest WTF moment was against Carolina and 3 consecutive run plays (exact same plays). No trust. I hope that changes in 2014.

SAINTstunna · 06-08-2014, 02:42 PM

Lately we have been too predictable with our different packages and Drew Brees depending too much on Jimmy Graham. When JG was out of the game it was a run. When Ingram was in, it was a run up the middle. When P. Thomas was in, it was a screen. We lacked a speedy playmaker wide receiver. Our offense flowed when Drew Brees has 12 completions to 8 different receivers which also opens up the run. Hopefully the sains can get back to what made them unpredictable and explosive and knowing Sean Payton and Drew Brees this will happen again this year . . ..

exile · 06-08-2014, 02:46 PM

Shut them all up Brees. This is the year to do it.

WillSaints81 · 06-08-2014, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Brees deserves some of the knocks he gets. His record outside the Dome, on the road against teams with winning records, is his Achilles heel that keeps him always behind Brady, Rodgers, etc. in all comparisons. If he can improve that, the conversation will change. If Brees had road numbers like Rodgers or like Brady and the Patriots, they would be basically neck in neck.

The difference between them all is the dip between Brees' stellar home game performances and his struggles and frequent mediocre performances in tough games on the road; Brady Rodgers and Manning and their corresponding teams may not win every road game they play, as I'm sure someone will point out, but they are generally more consistent across the board between home and away. That's the key.

That is the one thing about Brees that bothers me. I try to focus on our team as a whole being better but when Brees does stuff like that he not only makes his qb ranking look bad he becomes the source for people not giving our team as a whole respect. Even after last year, our defense still is disrespected. We're one of those teams who has to deal with sh*t in the offseason and prove our point in the regular season. I would just like people to respect us more and it has to start with Brees cutting down on the ints.

QBREES9 · 06-09-2014, 12:18 AM

It's just DUMB talk. We have Drew Brees, and you wish you did.

jeanpierre · 06-09-2014, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

this was the game that revealed a lot to me about Drew's and his relationship with the young WR. Pats took out Drew favorite receivers and evened the playing field. Brady vs Drew and the confidence in young WR.

whether it was players not seeing the same thing as Drew or just simple lack of faith, this was the main reason we lost that game.

Drew and WR must get on the same page because we have more than a few newbies this year.

in the passing game this is my concern. can they gel? i think they can. even if Drew needs to force the issue more this year.

That and there was some hometown cooking from the refs - that hold on Galette on the Pats touchdown pass at the end of the game is posted in my lobby of my office...

Audiotom · 06-09-2014, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

I cant remember exactly what it was but a few horrible calls had a lot to do with that loss also.

like their tackle mauling our rushing defender right in front of Brady and the refs as the ball goes just over Corey Whites finger tips for the winning touchdown

dizzle88 · 06-09-2014, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

like their tackle mauling our rushing defender right in front of Brady and the refs as the ball goes just over Corey Whites finger tips for the winning touchdown

Thats right, but it was jabari greer who got beat by a rookie WR for the winning TD, not corey white

06-08-2014, 11:48 AM	#11
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Knocks on Brees continue Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 My knock is that he forces it way too much to Jimmy. Knowing Jimmy won't fight for it or alligator arm a catch. Hopefully he won't have to do that as much with cooks in the lineup and a better running game to take some pressure off him SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

06-08-2014, 12:50 PM	#12
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Knocks on Brees continue Brees deserves some of the knocks he gets. His record outside the Dome, on the road against teams with winning records, is his Achilles heel that keeps him always behind Brady, Rodgers, etc. in all comparisons. If he can improve that, the conversation will change. If Brees had road numbers like Rodgers or like Brady and the Patriots, they would be basically neck in neck. The difference between them all is the dip between Brees' stellar home game performances and his struggles and frequent mediocre performances in tough games on the road; Brady Rodgers and Manning and their corresponding teams may not win every road game they play, as I'm sure someone will point out, but they are generally more consistent across the board between home and away. That's the key.

06-08-2014, 01:03 PM	#13
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: Knocks on Brees continue We tried to run the ball on our final drives. Only against Atlanta we were successful and milked the clock.. But they sucked on D. Biggest WTF moment was against Carolina and 3 consecutive run plays (exact same plays). No trust. I hope that changes in 2014.
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SAINTstunna 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: SACRAMENTO, CA Posts: 249 Blog Entries: 9	Re: Knocks on Brees continue Lately we have been too predictable with our different packages and Drew Brees depending too much on Jimmy Graham. When JG was out of the game it was a run. When Ingram was in, it was a run up the middle. When P. Thomas was in, it was a screen. We lacked a speedy playmaker wide receiver. Our offense flowed when Drew Brees has 12 completions to 8 different receivers which also opens up the run. Hopefully the sains can get back to what made them unpredictable and explosive and knowing Sean Payton and Drew Brees this will happen again this year . . ..
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06-08-2014, 09:31 PM	#16
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Knocks on Brees continue Originally Posted by SaintsBro Brees deserves some of the knocks he gets. His record outside the Dome, on the road against teams with winning records, is his Achilles heel that keeps him always behind Brady, Rodgers, etc. in all comparisons. If he can improve that, the conversation will change. If Brees had road numbers like Rodgers or like Brady and the Patriots, they would be basically neck in neck. The difference between them all is the dip between Brees' stellar home game performances and his struggles and frequent mediocre performances in tough games on the road; Brady Rodgers and Manning and their corresponding teams may not win every road game they play, as I'm sure someone will point out, but they are generally more consistent across the board between home and away. That's the key. That is the one thing about Brees that bothers me. I try to focus on our team as a whole being better but when Brees does stuff like that he not only makes his qb ranking look bad he becomes the source for people not giving our team as a whole respect. Even after last year, our defense still is disrespected. We're one of those teams who has to deal with sh*t in the offseason and prove our point in the regular season. I would just like people to respect us more and it has to start with Brees cutting down on the ints.

06-09-2014, 12:18 AM	#17
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Re: Knocks on Brees continue It's just DUMB talk. We have Drew Brees, and you wish you did.

06-09-2014, 06:23 AM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Knocks on Brees continue Originally Posted by hagan714 this was the game that revealed a lot to me about Drew's and his relationship with the young WR. Pats took out Drew favorite receivers and evened the playing field. Brady vs Drew and the confidence in young WR. whether it was players not seeing the same thing as Drew or just simple lack of faith, this was the main reason we lost that game. Drew and WR must get on the same page because we have more than a few newbies this year. in the passing game this is my concern. can they gel? i think they can. even if Drew needs to force the issue more this year. That and there was some hometown cooking from the refs - that hold on Galette on the Pats touchdown pass at the end of the game is posted in my lobby of my office... Mr.Riaton likes this.

06-09-2014, 08:29 AM	#19
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Knocks on Brees continue Originally Posted by darksoul35 I cant remember exactly what it was but a few horrible calls had a lot to do with that loss also. like their tackle mauling our rushing defender right in front of Brady and the refs as the ball goes just over Corey Whites finger tips for the winning touchdown

06-09-2014, 08:39 AM	#20
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Knocks on Brees continue Originally Posted by Audiotom like their tackle mauling our rushing defender right in front of Brady and the refs as the ball goes just over Corey Whites finger tips for the winning touchdown Thats right, but it was jabari greer who got beat by a rookie WR for the winning TD, not corey white Mr.Riaton likes this.

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