Turnovers are the focus for the Saints defense this offseason

06-09-2014, 09:46 AM

In the Saints’ first organized team activity open to reporters this summer, rookie cornerback Stanley Jean-Batiste slapped the ball out of receiver Andy Tanner’s hands after he made a catch.

A few minutes later, safety Rafael Bush stripped Marques Colston as he tried to run with a reception.

Read more: Turnovers are the focus for the Saints defense this offseason | Saints | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, LA

Danno · 06-09-2014, 11:58 AM

Sounds great, but I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned that an emphasis on takeaways may come at the cost of more missed tackles.

dizzle88 · 06-09-2014, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Sounds great, but I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned that an emphasis on takeaways may come at the cost of more missed tackles.

Yeah I hope they don't all start using Malcolm Jenkins style of tackling, torpedo head first into absolutely nothing attempting to seperate the ball from the carrier

|Mitch| · 06-09-2014, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Yeah I hope they don't all start using Malcolm Jenkins style of tackling, torpedo head first into absolutely nothing attempting to seperate the ball from the carrier

That's not turnover focused, just absolutely horrid fundamental tackle skills

And guys like Bailey or Byrd turnovers just come naturally, even Lewis did "okay" in that area last year...

halloween 65 · 06-09-2014, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Yeah I hope they don't all start using Malcolm Jenkins style of tackling, torpedo head first into absolutely nothing attempting to seperate the ball from the carrier

That is true!!

AllSaints · 06-09-2014, 05:41 PM

I'm praying we can stay healthy ! This Defense is going to be a turnover machine !

rezburna · 06-09-2014, 05:50 PM

Turnovers needs to be the focus of the offense.

hagan714 · 06-10-2014, 06:10 AM

For whatever reason, Ryan’s defenses rarely have turned in big turnover numbers. In his 10 years as a coordinator, the high mark for takeaways was 28 by Cleveland in 2010, which placed the Browns in a tie for 13th in the NFL. Half of his defenses failed to produce 20 takeaways: Oakland in 2004 and 2005, Cleveland in 2009, Dallas in 2012 and New Orleans last season all finished among the league’s bottom six in the category.

The 2011 Cowboys, who forced 25 turnovers, are one of only two Ryan defenses to rank in the top half of the NFL in takeaways — and then just barely at No. 16.

my number 2 concern with roy boy when we hired him.

Well i am holding my breath and hoping that Vaccarro can get some INTs. I hate to end up with yet another set of stone hands at SS.

dizzle88 · 06-10-2014, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

For whatever reason, Ryan’s defenses rarely have turned in big turnover numbers. In his 10 years as a coordinator, the high mark for takeaways was 28 by Cleveland in 2010, which placed the Browns in a tie for 13th in the NFL. Half of his defenses failed to produce 20 takeaways: Oakland in 2004 and 2005, Cleveland in 2009, Dallas in 2012 and New Orleans last season all finished among the league’s bottom six in the category.

The 2011 Cowboys, who forced 25 turnovers, are one of only two Ryan defenses to rank in the top half of the NFL in takeaways — and then just barely at No. 16.

my number 2 concern with roy boy when we hired him.

Well i am holding my breath and hoping that Vaccarro can get some INTs. I hate to end up with yet another set of stone hands at SS.

Kinda makes you think, is rob getting the players to play more fundamentally sound football rather than taking a risk and it having the chance to bite you on the behind

We all noticed how much better our players tackled last season rather than constantly going for the strip, if all of robs defenses have been that way it kind of makes you think

I'd like more turnovers, but not at the expense of how dominant our D was last year, we were top 5 in the league for forcing 3 and outs - plus we did drop a hell of a lot of INT's last season

hagan714 · 06-10-2014, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Kinda makes you think, is rob getting the players to play more fundamentally sound football rather than taking a risk and it having the chance to bite you on the behind

We all noticed how much better our players tackled last season rather than constantly going for the strip, if all of robs defenses have been that way it kind of makes you think

I'd like more turnovers, but not at the expense of how dominant our D was last year, we were top 5 in the league for forcing 3 and outs - plus we did drop a hell of a lot of INT's last season

i will say it again Roy Boy gets to much credit. all he did was undo Spags screw up to Williams defense. He stepped in at year 3 of a youth movement on defense for the saints. most of what we are seeing is williams coaching. I do give him credit but i am not heaping it on the band wagon just yet. teams now have a full season of tape lets see how they attack us.

now my #1 concern with Roy is the fact he has never had a defense step up when needed to take a team to the promised land despite teams giving him the priority to add players. IE Dallas.

Lets see if he learned his lesson and lets another coach pick and handle the DBs. that is not his strong suit at all.

We all love Byrd signs but Kenny is going to be the key IMO.

teams will avoid Byrd at all cost and go after Kenny if he is playing a traditional deep set. Lets be honest Kenny is not known for INT's in college. If turnovers are key the signing of Byrd could become mute if the other safety can not produce the INT. this was my main issue with picking Kenny. I fear we have another Harper on our hands. not that is a bad thing. but it is a pick that did not solve the issue we had before.

so here is to Kenny

this INT production expectation will fall squarely on his shoulders more than any one in the secondary. he will get tested early and often. i hope he steps up and produces. In order for this work teams must pick their poison and fear both.

Tackle first
TO second

06-09-2014, 11:58 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Turnovers are the focus for the Saints defense this offseason Sounds great, but I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned that an emphasis on takeaways may come at the cost of more missed tackles. Seer1, halloween 65 and brees84 like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Turnovers are the focus for the Saints defense this offseason Originally Posted by Danno Sounds great, but I'm sure I'm not the only one concerned that an emphasis on takeaways may come at the cost of more missed tackles. Yeah I hope they don't all start using Malcolm Jenkins style of tackling, torpedo head first into absolutely nothing attempting to seperate the ball from the carrier halloween 65 likes this.

06-09-2014, 01:24 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Turnovers are the focus for the Saints defense this offseason Originally Posted by dizzle88 Yeah I hope they don't all start using Malcolm Jenkins style of tackling, torpedo head first into absolutely nothing attempting to seperate the ball from the carrier That's not turnover focused, just absolutely horrid fundamental tackle skills And guys like Bailey or Byrd turnovers just come naturally, even Lewis did "okay" in that area last year...
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Turnovers are the focus for the Saints defense this offseason Originally Posted by dizzle88 Yeah I hope they don't all start using Malcolm Jenkins style of tackling, torpedo head first into absolutely nothing attempting to seperate the ball from the carrier That is true!!

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Turnovers are the focus for the Saints defense this offseason For whatever reason, Ryan’s defenses rarely have turned in big turnover numbers. In his 10 years as a coordinator, the high mark for takeaways was 28 by Cleveland in 2010, which placed the Browns in a tie for 13th in the NFL. Half of his defenses failed to produce 20 takeaways: Oakland in 2004 and 2005, Cleveland in 2009, Dallas in 2012 and New Orleans last season all finished among the league’s bottom six in the category. The 2011 Cowboys, who forced 25 turnovers, are one of only two Ryan defenses to rank in the top half of the NFL in takeaways — and then just barely at No. 16. my number 2 concern with roy boy when we hired him. Well i am holding my breath and hoping that Vaccarro can get some INTs. I hate to end up with yet another set of stone hands at SS.
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06-10-2014, 06:30 AM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Turnovers are the focus for the Saints defense this offseason Originally Posted by hagan714 For whatever reason, Ryan’s defenses rarely have turned in big turnover numbers. In his 10 years as a coordinator, the high mark for takeaways was 28 by Cleveland in 2010, which placed the Browns in a tie for 13th in the NFL. Half of his defenses failed to produce 20 takeaways: Oakland in 2004 and 2005, Cleveland in 2009, Dallas in 2012 and New Orleans last season all finished among the league’s bottom six in the category. The 2011 Cowboys, who forced 25 turnovers, are one of only two Ryan defenses to rank in the top half of the NFL in takeaways — and then just barely at No. 16. my number 2 concern with roy boy when we hired him. Well i am holding my breath and hoping that Vaccarro can get some INTs. I hate to end up with yet another set of stone hands at SS. Kinda makes you think, is rob getting the players to play more fundamentally sound football rather than taking a risk and it having the chance to bite you on the behind We all noticed how much better our players tackled last season rather than constantly going for the strip, if all of robs defenses have been that way it kind of makes you think I'd like more turnovers, but not at the expense of how dominant our D was last year, we were top 5 in the league for forcing 3 and outs - plus we did drop a hell of a lot of INT's last season hagan714 and brees84 like this.
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06-10-2014, 07:29 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Turnovers are the focus for the Saints defense this offseason Originally Posted by dizzle88 Kinda makes you think, is rob getting the players to play more fundamentally sound football rather than taking a risk and it having the chance to bite you on the behind We all noticed how much better our players tackled last season rather than constantly going for the strip, if all of robs defenses have been that way it kind of makes you think I'd like more turnovers, but not at the expense of how dominant our D was last year, we were top 5 in the league for forcing 3 and outs - plus we did drop a hell of a lot of INT's last season i will say it again Roy Boy gets to much credit. all he did was undo Spags screw up to Williams defense. He stepped in at year 3 of a youth movement on defense for the saints. most of what we are seeing is williams coaching. I do give him credit but i am not heaping it on the band wagon just yet. teams now have a full season of tape lets see how they attack us. now my #1 concern with Roy is the fact he has never had a defense step up when needed to take a team to the promised land despite teams giving him the priority to add players. IE Dallas. Lets see if he learned his lesson and lets another coach pick and handle the DBs. that is not his strong suit at all. We all love Byrd signs but Kenny is going to be the key IMO. teams will avoid Byrd at all cost and go after Kenny if he is playing a traditional deep set. Lets be honest Kenny is not known for INT's in college. If turnovers are key the signing of Byrd could become mute if the other safety can not produce the INT. this was my main issue with picking Kenny. I fear we have another Harper on our hands. not that is a bad thing. but it is a pick that did not solve the issue we had before. so here is to Kenny this INT production expectation will fall squarely on his shoulders more than any one in the secondary. he will get tested early and often. i hope he steps up and produces. In order for this work teams must pick their poison and fear both. Tackle first TO second
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