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I don't know where you are getting that false impression, but Graham has never made any statement, tweet, facebook post or any other mention of any thing to do with any contract terms. If that is what pisses you off you have wasted a ton of piss. :D |
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That is your opinion. Lawyers speak for their clients. This is foreign to you? You've said the same thing over and over. I don't see your proof. I know what I believe. Let HIM prove me wrong. I hope he does. Your words are meaningless to me.
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We all know the Saints and Graham will make a deal and the tag won't have any affect on him. The exact same thing happened with the Brees tag. We all knew he would get the deal and not play on the tag, but the PA and the league wanted it ironed out first. |
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You prove yourself right about those simple claims. All that would take is a web search if they were true. Simple as that. |
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In the regular season, he scored touchdowns in 11 games and in another he went over a hundred yards. If it corners can easily shut him down why wouldn't every team just put a corner on him and be done with it? And when you say he has zero ability to play against better defenses, you do realize he scored 3 touchdowns against Carolina and 1 against Seattle right? 4 touchdowns in 4 games is good, against top 3 defenses it's REALLY good. |
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We all know, just like the case with Brees, that Graham and the Saints will make the deal. This is all about precedence formation for future use. It is not Graham. He has been total class through the whole deal. He has said nothing at all, pro or con. Nothing. |
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Why don't more teams put a corner on him? Because we have other good players, and not every team has the depth to make that kind of move. The patriots took a gamble and it sure worked for them. maybe all teams SHOULD do it. I would. What about you? I can't speak for other teams. But the evidence is clear. |
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You gentleman have a good day. I've said what I have to say.
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Oh, now I get the thread title 8-)
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How did you hear them? Until you explain these very vital points, you have no credibility whatsoever. Case closed. |
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If you are basing your implied hatred for this player based on, well, nothing ... there is no way to reason with you. |
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It just seems to me like both JG and the saints are letting the arbitration decide what he is actually worth. It's only logical for the saints not to overpay and the JG not to get underpaid. This could go either way.. but if the process is duly played out it just gives clarity to both parties on what number to settle on.
At the end of the day JG and Mickey have been true professionals and have handled the situation with poise and devoid of drama. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk |
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Do you actually think if Jimmy Graham was opposed to what's happening now, if he didn't want it to happen, do you really think that he would let it happen, or keep his agent, for ONE SECOND? It's all very nice to stick up for him, to paint him as an angel, but you're implying that he's not a party to all this, which is naive and just plain wrong. Any reasonable fan of the team can see that Jimmy is involved in his current status and situation. That if he didn't want it to be this way, it would never have come to this. To imply that he's somehow an innocent unblemished angel in all this, is more than a little disingenuous. |
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football is a business sure but winning is profit. maximize your profit win it all.
accounting is a huge part of the game with out a doubt. example Jimmy we win and you can bet your bottom dollar if a long term deal is not reached he will get tagged a second year in a row. usually makes no sense but as long as we can pay him top dollar as a TE and not a WR and he puts up the numbers again i do not see the balance sheet changing my opinion. as far a the fair weather fans the NFL is catering to with all the rule changes to make this an offense sport i really would not waste to much time condemning them. they are what they are and most really do not care about the changes as long as it is fashionable to sit in the stands |
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I'm bored of the JG saga. Tell me more about this Josh Hill you all like so much.
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Graham is going to get the same deal, more or less, regardless of how the hearing turns out. It will have very little impact on the overall numbers involved. Graham knows that this is an important question concerning the language within the CBA that needs to be addressed. But, I wonder if he would have agreed to this if he had known the stupidity of some of the fans and much of the press and how his name would be unduly dragged through the mud. :confused: |
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Don't know much about Hill other than he went to Idaho State. He grew up in a small town in Eastern Idaho not far from me. I think he's got the height and the athleticism. Just not sure he's going to get much of a chance to play with JG and Watson on the roster. |
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Again, who is Gerry V and more importantly, why should I give a rat's ass?
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The tag is leverage by definition to both sides. It's leverage for the player because it's a massive cap hit to the team immediately. It's leverage for the team because it prevents the player from truly being a free agent and getting the opportunity to market on the open market free of constraints. Usually the tag is an annoyance that pisses both sides off enough to get them to come to the table and each concede enough to get a deal done. The wrinkle with the grievance is that it finally sets the true value of the tag. Honestly the NFLPA winning the grievance will put the Saints in a tough spot because they have to have that extra $5 million on the books immediately which IIRC they do not have. That's the leverage necessary to create the concessions to get the deal done quickly. OTOH if the NFL wins, that negates that leverage and forces JG and Sexton to come to the table ready to give up some part of the guaranteed money, years (shorter is better for the player), and front end salary, which is more likely to be paid, in order to get the deal done, get the huge signing bonus, and the security of a longer term contract. In any case the average salary was always going to be somewhere between the $7 million and the $12 million of the two tags. While I agree that JG doesn't deserve receiver money (because he is not actually a receiver), he does deserve to be paid as the best TE in the NFL. So the final contract should come in above Gronk's contract extension along with increase based on the fact that Gronk's extension was 2 years ago and the rising salary cap. Finally I chuckle at the "nobility" of only asking for a fair and honest wage. As someone said earlier in this thread, we are in a capitalistic society. You are worth whatever value you can get for your services. Only a fool would turn down a potential increase "because I'm really not worth that much." SFIAH |
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Please, let this thread die!!!
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The thing that's really hurting Graham is his disappearing act in the playoffs and during important games during the season. You play wort 7MIL. you get paid 7 Mil. It is what it is.
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The question that Jimmy needs to ask himself is, do I just want to make a boatload of money, or make a great deal of money and win a championship and leave a legacy.
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Carl Nicks left for about a 10% increase over what we were offering. For 10% I'd definitely consider the circumstances over raw dollars every time. Now if it was a 20% to 40% difference... see ya!:p |
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Of course that's a singular example of a player whose legacy is cemented and has nothing else to prove. And of course even with a paycut, it's still a ton of money. SFIAH |
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