Result of the Graham Hearing

Utah_Saint · 06-25-2014, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

1+1 is 436324644357823940263

That could well be up there as the dumbest article of the year.

He has an outstanding case that he will probably win.
According to ESPN.com, Graham's snaps were divided the following way:
45 percent as a slot receiver,
33 percent as an in-line tight end
22 percent as a wide receiver.

So Graham set up as a TE in 78% of snaps then

Where is the Slot defined as a TE position?

If that's the case, then Eddie Royal, Wes Welker, Tavon Austin, Dexter McCluster, Jericho Cotchery should all be designated TEs too. Jimmy Graham lined up wide out more often than any of them.

Beastmode · 06-25-2014, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

1+1 is 436324644357823940263

That could well be up there as the dumbest article of the year.

He has an outstanding case that he will probably win.
According to ESPN.com, Graham's snaps were divided the following way:
45 percent as a slot receiver,
33 percent as an in-line tight end
22 percent as a wide receiver.

So Graham set up as a TE in 78% of snaps then

If I'm doing a job and 78% of the time I'm doing the job of a higher salary employee well then hello desk audit! Time for me to get paid.

I could see this forcing the NFL to create more defined roles of players outlined in contracts, like really defined year to year. Sproles could have been a WR as well.

Utah_Saint · 06-26-2014, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

If I'm doing a job and 78% of the time I'm doing the job of a higher salary employee well then hello desk audit! Time for me to get paid.

I could see this forcing the NFL to create more defined roles of players outlined in contracts, like really defined year to year. Sproles could have been a WR as well.

IF Sproles (or any running back) lined up in a receivers position (slot or wide) more than in the backfield and IF he were being franchised as a RB, you can bet dollars to donuts he'd appeal a RB designation, it's a difference of 2.5 million a year. That's a heck of a negotiating position. He'd be crazy if he didn't.

lee909 · 06-25-2014, 11:50 PM

There is no such position as a slot receiver.

The "Slot Receiver" is anyone lining up wide of the line and inside of the WR.
RB/TE and WR can receive in what is regarded as the slot.

Look at the link below show Sproles lining up in the 'slot' and then Graham doing the same. Neither are WR but lining up a few yards off the traditional position that a TE/RB would line up to get them a clean go
The wording and tags need changed but that should have no impact on this case as it stands.

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Utah_Saint · 06-26-2014, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

There is no such position as a slot receiver.

The "Slot Receiver" is anyone lining up wide of the line and inside of the WR.
RB/TE and WR can receive in what is regarded as the slot.

Look at the link below show Sproles lining up in the 'slot' and then Graham doing the same. Neither are WR but lining up a few yards off the traditional position that a TE/RB would line up to get them a clean go
The wording and tags need changed but that should have no impact on this case as it stands.

Know the Score, Week 5: Who dat gonna beat dem Saints? - SBNation.com

I'm confused (it happens a lot more than I care to admit) how can you add the slot snaps to the TE position but in the next post explain that slot doesn't define a position?

AsylumGuido · 06-25-2014, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

JULY 15TH! ! ! Oh well. I just wish that this comes to an end real soon. I really dont understand JG position on the matter. He was signed as a TE and yes he was a big target for Drew, and yes he without question made a huge impact in the way the saints play offense but, its only because his role as a TE (as so many others) put him in a position to where he can run down the field and catch passes from one of the nfl's elite qb's. My thing is take the highest paid TE salary, stop trying for this "i was used as a wide receiver more than a TE" notion. For an example as just joe employee i may sometimes do task (on my job) of what a manager or supervisor may or should do however, the owner of the company isnt paying me the manager or supervisor salary. If I dont want to do those task or duties than that's a decission i have to make. When JG was being used as a wide out, was the question raised "am I (JG) going to be compensated as a wide receiver?" If so and he was promised he will receive compensation as such then pay the man, if not then JG I'm sorry you played a TE position that the organization used you in a wide receiver role to better the team. You did what was necessary to make the team better. So now this notion i should get a wide receiver salary doesnt make sense to me maybe someone could shed some light on why i maybe wrong for taking this approach please!

You don't understand Jimmy Graham's position on the matter because he has never stated his position on the matter. Graham has not uttered a single word concerning his tag designation as TE versus WR. He has never even typed a single word about the subject either. Nor has his agent. The only entities to have broached the subject are the NFL (who designated his tag as a TE) and the NFLPA (who basically asked Graham's permission to challenge that designation to attempt to help future designees).

06-25-2014, 11:26 PM	#1
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Result of the Graham Hearing Originally Posted by lee909 1+1 is 436324644357823940263 That could well be up there as the dumbest article of the year. He has an outstanding case that he will probably win. According to ESPN.com, Graham's snaps were divided the following way: 45 percent as a slot receiver, 33 percent as an in-line tight end 22 percent as a wide receiver. So Graham set up as a TE in 78% of snaps then Where is the Slot defined as a TE position? If that's the case, then Eddie Royal, Wes Welker, Tavon Austin, Dexter McCluster, Jericho Cotchery should all be designated TEs too. Jimmy Graham lined up wide out more often than any of them.

06-25-2014, 11:53 PM	#2
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Result of the Graham Hearing Originally Posted by lee909 1+1 is 436324644357823940263 That could well be up there as the dumbest article of the year. He has an outstanding case that he will probably win. According to ESPN.com, Graham's snaps were divided the following way: 45 percent as a slot receiver, 33 percent as an in-line tight end 22 percent as a wide receiver. So Graham set up as a TE in 78% of snaps then If I'm doing a job and 78% of the time I'm doing the job of a higher salary employee well then hello desk audit! Time for me to get paid. I could see this forcing the NFL to create more defined roles of players outlined in contracts, like really defined year to year. Sproles could have been a WR as well.
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06-26-2014, 12:23 AM	#3
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Result of the Graham Hearing Originally Posted by Beastmode If I'm doing a job and 78% of the time I'm doing the job of a higher salary employee well then hello desk audit! Time for me to get paid. I could see this forcing the NFL to create more defined roles of players outlined in contracts, like really defined year to year. Sproles could have been a WR as well. IF Sproles (or any running back) lined up in a receivers position (slot or wide) more than in the backfield and IF he were being franchised as a RB, you can bet dollars to donuts he'd appeal a RB designation, it's a difference of 2.5 million a year. That's a heck of a negotiating position. He'd be crazy if he didn't.

06-25-2014, 11:50 PM	#4
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Result of the Graham Hearing There is no such position as a slot receiver. The "Slot Receiver" is anyone lining up wide of the line and inside of the WR. RB/TE and WR can receive in what is regarded as the slot. Look at the link below show Sproles lining up in the 'slot' and then Graham doing the same. Neither are WR but lining up a few yards off the traditional position that a TE/RB would line up to get them a clean go The wording and tags need changed but that should have no impact on this case as it stands. Know the Score, Week 5: Who dat gonna beat dem Saints? - SBNation.com Utah_Saint likes this.
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06-26-2014, 12:14 AM	#5
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Result of the Graham Hearing Originally Posted by lee909 There is no such position as a slot receiver. The "Slot Receiver" is anyone lining up wide of the line and inside of the WR. RB/TE and WR can receive in what is regarded as the slot. Look at the link below show Sproles lining up in the 'slot' and then Graham doing the same. Neither are WR but lining up a few yards off the traditional position that a TE/RB would line up to get them a clean go The wording and tags need changed but that should have no impact on this case as it stands. Know the Score, Week 5: Who dat gonna beat dem Saints? - SBNation.com I'm confused (it happens a lot more than I care to admit) how can you add the slot snaps to the TE position but in the next post explain that slot doesn't define a position?

06-25-2014, 09:21 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Result of the Graham Hearing Originally Posted by teddybarexxx JULY 15TH! ! ! Oh well. I just wish that this comes to an end real soon. I really dont understand JG position on the matter. He was signed as a TE and yes he was a big target for Drew, and yes he without question made a huge impact in the way the saints play offense but, its only because his role as a TE (as so many others) put him in a position to where he can run down the field and catch passes from one of the nfl's elite qb's. My thing is take the highest paid TE salary, stop trying for this "i was used as a wide receiver more than a TE" notion. For an example as just joe employee i may sometimes do task (on my job) of what a manager or supervisor may or should do however, the owner of the company isnt paying me the manager or supervisor salary. If I dont want to do those task or duties than that's a decission i have to make. When JG was being used as a wide out, was the question raised "am I (JG) going to be compensated as a wide receiver?" If so and he was promised he will receive compensation as such then pay the man, if not then JG I'm sorry you played a TE position that the organization used you in a wide receiver role to better the team. You did what was necessary to make the team better. So now this notion i should get a wide receiver salary doesnt make sense to me maybe someone could shed some light on why i maybe wrong for taking this approach please! You don't understand Jimmy Graham's position on the matter because he has never stated his position on the matter. Graham has not uttered a single word concerning his tag designation as TE versus WR. He has never even typed a single word about the subject either. Nor has his agent. The only entities to have broached the subject are the NFL (who designated his tag as a TE) and the NFLPA (who basically asked Graham's permission to challenge that designation to attempt to help future designees). Beastmode likes this.

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