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Jim Haslett taught me a good lesson...
Never put too much stock in the first year of any NFL coaches carreer.. In all honesty...when Haslett reached the playoffs..and beat the Rams and all that...He did so with Ditka's Saints..Most of those players were brought here during the Ditka era...and since that year...the team has gotten worse every year.... So what does that tell me?..Ditka had an eye for talent..but couldn't coach well.. Haslett has no eye for talent..but can coach..if given the right people.... Maybe the two of them together could have faired better...probably not...anyhow..I refuse to let what happened here with haslett happen to me again..like most Saints fans..I was all for keeping Haslett around..I mean..He was Coach of the Year for crying out loud...But ..then he started to get ''his type of players''..and we all know how that's turning out... If we get a new coach..and i believe we will...I will not be so...eager to back him up...give me something to believe in..some consistency... Don't get me wrong..I will always back the team..but..I refuse to blindly advocate a coach if he comes out of the gate fast....I want to see what he can do his sophomore year...In hopes he's not another one hit wonder |
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Wise decision my friend. You know what else? The Saints were 7-4 with Jeff Blake as a starter, and went 3-3 under Brooks including the playoff win. We know what mediocrity has followed since, yet we give Brooks a lions\' share of the credit for the playoff win. Blake basically got them there. We are so starved for a winner any perceived success is way overblown.
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that just isnt true about has winning with ditkas guys. there were at most 23 guys still on the team from the ditka erra. none of which was a qb. i pulled up the roster from both years.
but let me just somehow give you the benefit of the doubt and say that has did win with ditkas guys. well then my friend your saying that has is a better coach then ditka because he won more then ditka did with teh same talent. either way your argument fails big time. i think has has to go also. but i also think we need a major overhaul. new players and new coaches. some of our guys could stay. but most have to go |
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we also went 3-2 under brooks. two games that included the rams at the time. which were a pretty good team. most of blakes wins came against ok to not so ok teams. we also started out 1 -3 under blake. brooks went 3-2 and then won in the playoffs with a great great performance against the rams. so im sorry i just dont see either of your arguments.
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My argument is Blake was 7-4, Brooks was 3-3. We won the playoff game cause Az Hakim can\'t field a punt, and we had a better defense with Ditka\'s players as was previously said. I\'ll take 7-4 over 3-3.
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[quote:d366d277d3]that just isnt true about has winning with ditkas guys. there were at most 23 guys still on the team from the ditka erra. none of which was a qb. i pulled up the roster from both years.
but let me just somehow give you the benefit of the doubt and say that has did win with ditkas guys. well then my friend your saying that has is a better coach then ditka because he won more then ditka did with teh same talent. either way your argument fails big time. SO..even though has won more games..with the same core of players..he\'s not as good?..I don\'t understand your logic... |
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When you say Ditka\'s team you can\'t count Willie Roaf or Mark Fields to name a couple they were brought in by Mora & actually Feilds was drafted because Haslett wanted him. Some of Ditka\'s bright moves,just for those with selective amnesia Heath Shuler, Billy Joe 1 & 2, entire draft for Ricky Williams,Danny Wuerffel,Kerry Collins, Cam Cleeland, Troy Davis, cut Eric Allen & Jim Everett(both shoved it up our ass when they played us) Randall \"Thrill\" Hill just to refresh our memories about Ditka. I don\'t really even remember a rb that went over 1000 yards while Ditka was here. Remember his coordinators were Danny Abramawitz and Zaven Yourallien not real sure about the spelling but who cares. I am not saying Haslett should stay but we are in better shape with a nucleus of talent that a new coach can build around. The only good moves Ditka made were Sammy Knight, LaRoy Glover, and maybe Kyle Turley before he wore out his welcome. The real downfall began with the firing of Randy Mueller who came in after Ditka and the Saints had the biggest roster turnover in the league that year. Haslett might have had a few of Ditka\'s players his first year but to say he won with Ditka\'s team is crazy we\'ll just call it Mueller\'s team that won that year.
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It wasn\'t Mueller\'s team at all..Benson has always been very genorous with letting coaches get the players THEY wanted..I\'m not saying Ditka was a football God..He had a formula that worked for him before..and he Implemented it here..to no avail..and I\'m not saying Jim is a total retard...he just has had trouble eyeing and getting talent..evey year hasslet had had a chance to get his type pf guys in here..and we see players eating dinner while the team is playing...and numerous other things..just a total lack of any sort of respect...And Ditka had at the very least..Respect..you can say he sucks all day..but for every 100 people that says he sucks..their is 1000 that say he\'s a legend..I have to look at the fact that hasslet has gotten worse every year..his best year..was when ditka\'s guys were in here..
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Only 15 of Ditkas players were on the 2000 roster:
Phil Clarke, Fontenot, Glover, Corey Harris, Rob Kelly, Sammy Knight, Keith Mitchell, Chris Naeole, Keith Poole, Daryl Terrell, Kyle Turley, Fred Weary, Willie Whitehead, Ricky Williams, Wally Williams and Jake Delhomme. There were still 6 holdovers from Mora: Tom Ackerman, Doug Brien, Mark Feilds, Joe Johnson, Alex Molde, and Willie Roaf. So to say he won with Ditka\'s team isnt correct. |
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Ok..maybe I jumped the gun a bit..but..you see my overall point?..right?
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i think my logic was quite clear as the rest of the posts clearly showed my point that has didnt win with ditkas guys. but even if he had, then that would make him a better coach then ditka because he would have won with the same talent. thing is he didnt win with ditkas guys. that is a huge lie. in all honesty there is one person on here that is constantly making that point over and over again. and he is consistenly shown that he is wrong. but yet he stills makes the point as if it has some validity or if he keeps making it over and over and over then eventually people will stop telling him he is wrong and the lie will be then excepted as truth. its like many lies in our society that people just except as truth for some reason. like pepsi one gives you cancer. or sweet and low does. or that a dogs mouth is cleaner then a humans. whihc is 100% false. do i even have to say explaine why.
but go on keep stating that fact over and over again until we stop telling you that your wrong. this way you can make your untruth the truth. |
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And the very simple fact is..I could not possibly care less whether or not you agree with anything I have said or ever will... I don\'t have some secret agenda..I just come here to talk football..that\'s all..I don\'t try to\'\'UP MY pOST COUNT BY POSTING MEANINGLESS WORDS\'\'..like you have said I do.. I have no idea where you are coming form..and I don\'t care.. F.Y.I... A dog\'s mouth was never stated to be cleaner by anyone..haha..have you ever read a book/..A dog\'s mouth has certain indiginous microfloura that we do not..and vice versa... I can\'t remember saying Pepsi causes cancer...nor..Do I recall anyone saying so..on any post... So..Instead of going on a self righteous witch hunt..Educate yourself... And don\'t be suprised when I continue saying the off the wall things I do..it\'s just how I operate..If you think I am purposley spreading lies to reach some sort of hidden agenda...more power to you.. [Edited on 2/12/2004 by shadowdrinker_x] [Edited on 2/12/2004 by shadowdrinker_x] |
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first off i wanst pointing you out. i had no idea you had said that about ditka before this time. i was only stating that someone on here ( who i couldnt remember ) kept making that claim. i was not at all pointing you out. because to me thats the first time i heard you say it. but if you are the one that kept making the claim then i have said before it wasnt true. but i have no axe to grind with you.
as far as dogs mouths and the other things i said on here you absolutely missed the point. it wasnt in regards to anyones post on here. more a statement of how many people pass untruths as truths. not that anyone on here has made those claims. now getting back to the dogs mouths cleaner then humans i dare you to show me any such study done at any time to prove that. i searched high and low to find one. the only thing that i found was that most scientist knew nothing of any such study ever performed and if they were asked to give their opinion on it they would say that it was incorrect. why you might ask. because if the dirtiest part of any human beings body (or the one with the most bacteria) it would be their mouths. so if thats true for humans that would certainly be true for dogs. then you would ask as the scientist did what do dogs use their mouths for. i have two of them and i can tell you they clean their bodies and that includes their arse as well as their privates. i would be sure to admit that their mouths have different agents used to clean them then humans do. but they would almost have to with what they use their mouths for. that being said they are in no way cleaner then a humans and every statement i could find from a scientist said in their opinion they would almost certainly be dirtier. |
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One of the top reasons people go to the emergency room is dog bites, it\'s my job to know what sort of antibiotics to use to fight gram positive and gram negative..also...to teach the difference of bacteriostatic vs bacteriocidal remedies...to effectivley eliminate infections In the field I am in..It\'s not the matter of simply clean mouths..it\'s the factors of what sort of Bacteria lives and breeds within the openings of human bodies..Dog\'s have a far less number of said microfloura..making thier mouths ..in effect..cleaner.. Chew on that a while..with your nasty mouth..haha [Edited on 3/12/2004 by shadowdrinker_x] |
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Pardon my inquisitve nature, but how on a football forum did we begin talking about canine indiginous microfloura? I hear its going around these days.
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And my dog doesn\'t curse nearly as often as I do ... just when I\'m drunk ... so I must regard her mouth as cleaner than mine. |
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bro im glad that your a nurse. and no their mouths are not cleaner then humans and once again prove that to me with any study you can find. you being a nurse in no way makes you a scientist. my sister is a nurse and my wife is studying to be one. ill ask my sister how she fels about that. but for now this is the last post i will make on the subject. i think that we can agree to disagree. but i will give you the fact that you have more education then i do on the matter because i dont have any medical schooling what so ever. but like i said to you earlier i searched high and low for any such study and i could find none. all i could find is that there would be almost no way for a dogs mouth to be cleaner then a humans. i may if i have time post some findings for you in the other chat forum but not in here. ill let you know if i do. it just depends on time. im buisy right now with the end of the semester. but for now no more post from me in here on the subject
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well i do think much of you that you have an msn in nursing. to have gone through all that schooling is really difficult and i cant say anything bad about you. its more then ive done so far. but take it easy im sure we will post more on here
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yes i belive that 100%. ( not criminals) i did a research paper on it. really amazing to see some of the statistics. but to me i like the saying because it comes from thomas jefferson. even though madison wrote the constitution and the bill of rights if you read some of the letters from jefferson ( who was in paris at the time) to madison he urges him to include a bill of rights
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DB\'s? Ditka\'s... if the 2000 Saints had an o-line remotely resembling any of the lines fielded afterwards, no way the Saints go 10-6 in 2000. |
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