Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

Say you are the new head coach of a team mired in losing. In your first year, you expect moderate improvement as you are supposed to, but what's say your team goes on a little run. Your conference is weak by historic proportions and you are staring smack dab at the possibility of being in the playoffs with an under .500 record. Now you know your team is not gonna win a Superbowl and will get bounced unceremoniously in the first round, you also know you have a lot of holes you'd like to fill. What do you do? CHANGE QUARTERBACKS. That's right. Nothing sends a team into disarray like a qb change. Now you're losing again and headed toward that high pick in the draft which you expected all along. Noone expected your team to do anything anyway, and you even have something to build on for next year. Denny Green is a genius. Wish we had gone after him. Nice job Denny. Well played.

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

Actually the real truth is they aren\'t scoring points. When you are something like 3rd to last in the confrence in scoring and headed south yeah you need and can make changes. When the last place 49ers are scoring more than you and you are in the play off hunt you need to be concerned. The qb\'s have been flat even King only 119 yards. You may want to look deeper why he made that choice instead of bending half facts to make your own agenda.

I also recall an injury to a player on the Spurs which is why he was \'benched\'.

[Edited on 2/12/2004 by Euphoria]

[Edited on 2/12/2004 by Euphoria]

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

What does this mean? I said Robinson was benched cause he had surgery and did not play like the first 20 games and the Spurs were way under .500 so they just kept him out the whole year. What are you trying to say?

Also, why do I need to look deeper? The team was 4-5 with McCown at the helm, in the playoff hunt, and 1 or 2 games behind the lead in their division. They were mainly running Emmitt anyway. Shaun King hasn\'t won anything on any level and when was the last time he started? Now they are going with a late round rookie? Open your eyes man. Try to check someone else cause I have reasons for everything I say. Maybe you should look deeper before trying to check someone\'s opinion. AND I did not say it was fact, but it makes sense.

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

It is strange to bench him...knowing he had noone better..Maybe he tought they improved?..haha..

I think , honestly, Green was a victim of his own hype...He swore this team would be \'\'Playoff Contenders\'\'..at the interviews during the draft....and just hasn\'t been able to make it happen..but.the guy knows how turn things around..I think he was just overly ambitious...However..I do expect you\'ll see a different Cardinals Team next Year...

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

I hardly check someone\'s opinion... however pointing out the fact that you base your opinion on is wrong so leaves no merit to your opinion. Look at the statistics and you\'ll see why the change at qb... same thing why Bree\'s hasn\'t been replace... \"he is producing\", and \"team chemistry is there\" You don\'t see that in AZ, baby.

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

Zona will be a contender in the next few years. They already have a stingy D, and alot of salary cap room I believe. Denny will have them boys playing out there in the desert.

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

So the fact that AZ started 0-3 then went 4-2 and ended up 4-5 overall and beat Seattle and the Giants, one team leading their division(Seattle) and the other in the playoff hunt(Giants) and were on a 2 game winning streak and THEN decided to bench their starting qb simply eludes you huh Euph. No problem.

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

blah blah blah... Look at what they were producing offensively. Ssssssquat!

[Edited on 3/12/2004 by Euphoria]

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

4-2 in the last 6 and a two game winning streak is blah blah blah? Maybe the Colts should have benched Manning when they lost to New England the first game or the Packers should have benched Favre when they were 0-4.

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

Dude you have to watch the games to evaluate your team (or have a good solid opinion about)... sometimes stats don\'t reflect the game and sometimes W-L don\'t reflect the game, granted its what matters but when you are near bottom in offense and you know you need to do something to be competitive to compete for even being considered \'in the hunt\', sure do what you can to find chemistry with the offense, tweak it. There D is what has been winning games for them for now, Green knows he is going to need point production to keep it going.

Redskins HORRIBLE in offense... so would you do something to generate points and be more comptitive or do you go with the status quo of being HORRILBE the rest of the year... Gibbs is learning the hard way.

[Edited on 4/12/2004 by Euphoria]

[Edited on 4/12/2004 by Euphoria]

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

So NOW we can compare Favre to substandard quarterbacks ;)

That was for the edited post from earlier :P

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

Nice one BNB. Just an example, but point taken.

Euph Euph Euph, you seemed bound and determined to be my nemesis, so let me educate you again.

This is by far one of the most off the wall comments I have ever heard. Sometimes wins and losses don\'t reflect the game? What else reflects the game more than wins and losses? Winning pretty? So go take Baltimore\'s Lombardi back cause their offense was the definition of UGLY!! Since wins and losses don\'t often reflect the game, why do we care who is running the Saints and why Brooks struggles so often and why our D is so bad? Wind and losses don\'t reflect the game? Truly, I am at a loss. There is no greater measure of ANY sport than wins and losses. That is the bottom line. Miss. State\'s coach was 49-24 in his career and was fired this season cause of too many losses. I truly have no words for that statement. :shrug:

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

typical of you from your previous post... bend and twist thing to fit your agenda... go ahead take things our of context. The point being, the change was made on a professional football team by a coach in the NFL to replace a Professional QB with another in hopes of finding a better fit/fix for his low scoring/productivity offensively. You can\'t sit and hope to win just on the bases of one unit (D), you know you are going to need to score points... why wait until this is obvious... act on it now. That isn\'t a SELL SELL SELL game plan.

READ... I can\'t believe I am going to have to spell this out for you. You can beat your opponet on paper and in stats all day long and yet still lose. Hell you can win by the score but if your team looked like crap don\'t you think you still have somethings to work on to improve your team for more formiable opponets... never mind you\'re like talking to a wall and only going to read what ya want anyways. But you are entittled to your opinon I\'ll give you that... we all know what they say about opinions.

I see you keep getting off subject with the thread here and that is should the Saints purposely lose its remaining games.

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

When have I gotten off the subject? I have said in about 20 different threads they should lose the rest of their games. It\'s no secret. I thought I had explained myself clearly enough on that one. Let me spell it out for you. I HOPE THE SAINTS LOSE THE REST OF THEIR GAMES AND HAVE A SHOT AT DERRICK JOHNSON OR ANTRELL ROLLE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WATSON, STINCHCOMB, GLEASON, MITCHELL, AND BOCKWOLDT PLAY THE REST OF THE YEAR. CLEAR?

And how did I twist things? Your exact words were \"sometimes wins and losses don\'t reflect the game\". How can anyone misinterpret that utterly senseless statement? But try the misdirection approach to deflect the utter ignorance of it. Nice.

Once again tell that to the Lombardi trophies in Baltimore and the one in Tampa Bay. Their defenses, especially in the Baltimore\'s case, VASTLY outplayed their offenses. Why do I have to explain this to you? Oh, I guess it is just like everything else I have to explain. Educating you is getting tedious.

This is the EXACT same thing I said about the Saints when we beat Kansas City. Weren\'t you one of the people who jumped on me and anyone else who thought it was a terrible win with the \"a win is a win just be happy\" argument? Man this is almost too easy.

If you can\'t come better, please don\'t respond. This is getting ugly.

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

It\'s funny that awhile ago you seemed more self-deprecating Saintswhodi, lately many of your posts have lost their initial promise. Sure you have made a few friends with senior posters, but do you think for a minute that that gives you the right to respond to criticism in such a precocious manner.

Euph is addressing complaints he feels about your posting demeanor, sure you fire back that it is him. Have you spent any time lately wondering if maybe you were getting away from yourself?
Maybe you need a break, I used to enjoy your posts, before you got on this bloody minded tangent of throwing the season away, rejoin the real world, our guys are only 1 game out of the post season, stop trying to own the team, and start trying to support it. For at least the next week anyways!

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

Let\'s be careful here please...

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

johnny, I don\'t mind anyone criticizing my opinion. This is what I took offense to:

SO, I am out of line for defending myself? Go back and read the very first post after I started this thread. I was accused of having an agenda there by Euph. What does that have to do with my posting style? In this quote I was said to have an agenda, that stating facts and pointing out bad arguments made by others was \"typical\" of me, and not in a good way, things needed to be spelled out for me, and basically being called an a-hole cause of my opinion cause \"everyone has one.\" I may have taken a more aggressive tone, but I still used facts and proven history to back my arguments. I don\'t feel I was out of line, and I have maintained the same argument on here day in and day out. Lose out and sell out for a new coaching staff and a high draft pick.

I won\'t even comment on the rejoin the real world comment about us being 1 game out of the playoffs. I really have no words to respond to that. But since Euph seems to share your opinion that we should still try to win, I can see how you would totally ignore the fact that he came at me first. Kudos.

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

You boys settle down or the thread will be locked.

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

You used no facts... you only used what you precieved to be facts. You never checked the facts to find that AZ isn\'t producing offensively and that is why they made the change at QB. You implied that the change was made because they were tanking the seaons and thanking Denny Green. I also don\'t go around calling people names that is beneth me. I was merely stating what opinions are that everyone has one and is entittled plain and simple and you seem to be trying to make this bigger than what it really is.

opinions are just that opinions.

[Edited on 4/12/2004 by Euphoria]

[Edited on 4/12/2004 by Euphoria]

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

These were your exact words. Now say what you will, but I know how that phrase goes. You can try to get on a high horse now, but it is clear your meaning. Unless you know another way that phrase goes, I would be interested to hear it.

Once again, check your facts. I will make this simpler for both of us and just ask you straight questions. Did Arizona start 0-3? Were they subsequently 4-2? Was Josh McCown the qb? Were they on a two game winning streak? Did they go 0-2 after the change? These are all facts. Show me one that isn\'t please.

Okay, now, did Baltimore not have one of the worst offenses in history when they won the Superbowl? Did they not ride a horrible Trent Dilfer all the way to the win? Did they not win solely because of their defense? Did their offense not go through a stretch of 6 straight weeks without an offensive touchdown during the regular season? Didn\'t Tampa Bay\'s defense lead them to a Superbowl victory? Didn\'t their defense score as many points as the Raiders offense in the Superbowl? Monkeys could have qb\'d these teams, and they would have won because of their D. This is the history I was talking about, and the bad argument you used of a team not being able to win solely because of their defense.

Did you also know Denny Green cut his starting center Pete Kendall and Superbowl MVP Dexter Jackson who were both promptly signed by other teams. Kendall to the Jets where he starts and leads one of the best rushing attacks in the league and Jackson back to Tampa Bay. Now you tell me if this sounds like a coach who is trying to win this year please. Facts one and all. Do you have any?

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

You\'re still trying to make this something its not... yeah the saying goes: \"Opinions are like A-wholes and everyone one has one.\" -everyone has an opinion. Do you need some help to figure that one out now. Where in that does it say a peron is an a-whole. So when do I see the apology for that one.

Facts... take a look at Cardnials opponets, take a look at the scores of all there games thus far and then look at total points for, yards, and actually watch the games. What has the QB\'s done? I\'ll help ya here big boy... DIDDY POO.

Have you heard of cap casualties. So the moves before the season started was in effect to tank the season even then? So why did they show up to beat the Saints?

[Edited on 5/12/2004 by Euphoria]

Why Denny Green benched McCown
 

I know you didn\'t ask me this. Did they show up to beat the Saints or did the Saints crash as they usually do after winning two straight? The point is they weren\'t supposed to. Hello. Thus my OPINION Green is trying to tank the season.

And Oh my God is this frustrating. There is no such thing as a cap penalty during the season. These players were cut during the season. Here\'s an article about Kendall and how many teams wanted him after he was cut during the preseason. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/s...orts-headlines

Jackson was cut during the season. HE had already gotten his roster bonus and had noone else signed him, the Cards would have still had to pay him and they still may owe him a portion. What does that have to do with cap casualties? This is what I am saying. There is no sense in disagreeing with someone who looks for zero facts when they rebutt. I give up. Have a great day and enjoy some football.