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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Calvin Johnson makes over $18million per year. The discussion is $7million vs. $12 million. Nobody has suggested the Saints pay Graham "Calvin Johnson money". Apples and Oranges. Although you might want to check out who's made ...
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Re: If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract
Originally Posted by Utah_Saint
The argument is not about who makes more money, I'm talking about how great players respond to adversity. It doesn't matter how much more money Calvin Makes, because the Lions have their own priorities.![]()
As for who has more touchdowns, I've already responded to you when you said the exact same thing in another thread. Touchdowns have more to do with opportunity than anything else. I care more about what you do between 20's that puts your team in that position. Drew Brees is light years better than Stafford and he has more decoys on the field than Stafford has had. The lions don't get in the redzone nearly as much as we do. Do I really need to continue with this comparison? |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract
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I am a Saints fan. I want my team to win. Does Graham give me a better chance to win than lessor TE's? Yes. I don't give a flying rat's ass what he is paid. I want him on my team. What is your frickin' hangup about the money?
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Everything I have said up to this point is my hangup. This isn't a normal business. There is a salary cap. I understand he deserves more than he has been making. I just don't want to see a ridiculously high number thrown at him, because we're already on the hook with Drew.
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Re: If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract
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No this isn't a normal business, but it is a business being run by individuals that know a whole hell of a lot more than you do about the finances. I am not sure what your expertise involves, but I have spent most of my life working in business. I have a degree in accounting and am a business analyst. I have been schooled in business law and have a better understanding than the vast majority of average fans on the working of a salary cap. The numbers involved in any NFL contract are meaningless as far as yearly average. The only number that mean anything are guaranteed dollar and year by year cap hit.![]()
You mention Brees. We are not on the hook for hardly anything. He has already received most of his guaranteed money as a signing bonus. Loomis can easily guarantee a minimal amount more of the non-guaranteed amount as another bonus and greatly reduce his cap hit in any of the next three seasons. They can do the same with other players across the board. All of this obsession with cap space is a waste of time for the average fan. It is not an issue. Believe me. |
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Re: If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract
Originally Posted by burningmetal
The Saints averaged less than two points/game more than the Lions, there weren't that many red zone opportunities.![]()
What do decoy's have to do with anything. I could easily argue Graham has to share the ball more than Johnson. Graham was targeted 144 times, Johnson targeted 156. That argument works both ways. OK, let's expand the definition of "shut down" then. How many games did Calvin Johnson get held to less than a hundred yards and no touchdowns? How many games did Jimmy Graham get held to less than a hundred yards and no touchdowns? |
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Re: If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract
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Decoys have to do with opening up the field in the redzone. And I'm not talking about last years stats alone, I'm talking about over the last few seasons combined, because that is the original example you used. ![]()
I don't have a sheet in front of me to tell you how many games either player was held to less than 100 yards and no touchdowns. so I don't have any idea. That isn't what constitutes being shut down for me. Being down is doing next to nothing. |
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Re: If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract
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... happened twice. Once when Talib was so physical he injured his foot and the second time when Seattle threw everything to stop him (still on the injured foot) and the rest of the team laid an egg offensively.![]()
I was as pissed off as you, but I at least understood that it wasn't his fault. |
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Re: If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract
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He did nothing against the 49ers, nothing against st. louis, aside from the wide open touchdown against seattle in the regular season, he did nothing the rest of that game and even less in the playoff game against them.![]()
The game against new england we did not lay an egg offensively. We scored 27 points. But yet again, none of this is about blaming the losses on him. It's a break down of his performances. You want to know what I thought of the rest of the team last year? I wanted Moore gone, because he was completely invisible. I've been critical of Toon and his dropsies, Mark Ingram's inconsistencies, Meachem's propensity to hide from sight for weeks at a time. If you knew anything about me and followed my past posting, you would know what I call it like I see it. I give credit where it is due and critiques where they are warranted. None of those other players are looking at mega contracts. Jimmy is obviously better than them. |
If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract
Originally Posted by burningmetal
If you have no idea how many times Johnson gets shut down, then how can you make the statement that Calvin Johnson never gets shut down but Jimmy Graham does?![]()
I can understand that you don't have a sheet in front of you. I'll list all the games. Player A Week 1 - 4 rec - 37 yds - 0 TD Week 5 - 3 rec- 25 yds - 0 TDs Week 12 - 3 rec - 52 yds - 0 TD Week 13 - 6 rec - 98 yds - 0 TD Week 14 - 3 rec - 43 yds - 0 TD Player B Week 6 - 0 rec - 0 yds - 0TD Week 9 - 5 rec - 59 yds - 0 TD Week 10 - 6 rec - 41 yds - 0 TD Week 15 - 2 rec - 25 yds - 0 TD Doesn't look like that much of a difference to me. |
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