Saints VS Niners Seahawks

Seahawks12th · 07-15-2014, 01:42 PM

I am curious how you guys see yourselves stacking up. The offseason is so boring but I would love to hear how these teams fare against each other.
Is there another team that is a threat to the NFC?
Will the Niners, Seahawks or Saints take a step down?

Wanna know what the board thinks.

|Mitch| · 07-15-2014, 01:56 PM

Can't comment on who will decline, other than to say that the Saints have only gotten better...

Lost no one of significance, except for Darren Sproles who has been replaced with the speedier Brandin Cooks...

It seems the Seahawks may have lost some pieces on defense?

Seahawks12th · 07-15-2014, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Can't comment on who will decline, other than to say that the Saints have only gotten better...

Lost no one of significance, except for Darren Sproles who has been replaced with the speedier Brandin Cooks...

It seems the Seahawks may have lost some pieces on defense?

Our defensive line lost two starters, can't minimize that and our right tackle position is unsettled. The thing that scares me about the Saints is that I don't see too many unsettled positions. You may have one of the most dominant left tackles in all of football. What positions are still question marks on your team?

Jack Vegas · 07-15-2014, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Seahawks12th

What positions are still question marks on your team?

OL and kicker in my opinion. We had some weird OL problems last year which more mostly attributed to a tough time adjusting to zone blocking schemes. But the OL really underacheived last year IMO, considering there are 3 past/present Pro-Bowlers on it.

At kicker, I think Graham is solid and dependable within say 40 yards, past that who knows. If we need a 50-yarder to win a playoff game we're probably in trouble.

The WR's may be a slight issue, Colston is getting old and creaky knees, Meachem is a one-trick pony. We like Stills a lot but he's still young and Cooks is a rookie. I think we'll be OK here but I wouldn't mind terribly if we could land another FA WR before the season starts.

AsylumGuido · 07-15-2014, 01:58 PM

The Saints should be greatly improved on the defensive side of the ball with several key additions, including Jarius Byrd and Champ Bailey, and the return of key players inujured prior to the past season (Patrick Robinson and Victor Butler). The entire defense should be improved as a whole with another year under Rob Ryan's system.

The Saints offense should also benefit from the addition of Brandin Cooks, the subtraction of center de la Puenta and the first full season of left tackle Terron Armstead. The exit of Darren Sproles and Lance Moore should be another case of addition by subtraction as both players had by far their worst season in the black and gold in 2013.

As for Seattle and SF, I see both squads taking a small step back with their personnel losses and the emergence of both Arizona and St. Louis as formidable opponents. The Saints will be facing a FAR easier schedule and has a better shot of getting that top NFC seed and that important home field advantage.

Seahawks12th · 07-15-2014, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The Saints should be greatly improved on the defensive side of the ball with several key additions, including Jarius Byrd and Champ Bailey, and the return of key players inujured prior to the past season (Patrick Robinson and Victor Butler). The entire defense should be improved as a whole with another year under Rob Ryan's system.

The Saints offense should also benefit from the addition of Brandin Cooks, the subtraction of center de la Puenta and the first full season of left tackle Terron Armstead. The exit of Darren Sproles and Lance Moore should be another case of addition by subtraction as both players had by far their worst season in the black and gold in 2013.

As for Seattle and SF, I see both squads taking a small step back with their personnel losses and the emergence of both Arizona and St. Louis as formidable opponents. The Saints will be facing a FAR easier schedule and has a better shot of getting that top NFC seed and that important home field advantage.

The addition of Goodwin (center) is a huge upgrade in my opinion. Armstead really impressed me during the Saints second trip to the Northwest. He dominated Clemons (our starting D end who was our best player, now in Jacksonville). Byrd and Bush will bring the lumber and Robinson (RB) could be a star. I personally think our two teams will play each other for the NFCCG. May come down to a couple plays.

halloween 65 · 07-15-2014, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Seahawks12th

The addition of Goodwin (center) is a huge upgrade in my opinion. Armstead really impressed me during the Saints second trip to the Northwest. He dominated Clemons (our starting D end who was our best player, now in Jacksonville). Byrd and Bush will bring the lumber and Robinson (RB) could be a star. I personally think our two teams will play each other for the NFCCG. May come down to a couple plays.

Cory White took Robinsons spot last season when he went down, I look for Robinson in as our #3 CB, I think with the addition of Bailey, Byrd, with Robinson coming back we might be pretty good there. Up front on D looks pretty good but our lb. play has to improve, quick slants kill us,. With how Seattle rolls out alot it should if it falls that way be interesting to watch. The O, if Brees doesn't have to run for his life and our recievers and TE can get fight off the line of scrimimage, should be much better. Still alot of football to tell.

WhoDat!656 · 07-15-2014, 02:01 PM

PEDhawks are still the team to beat in the NFC, but the pressure of playing as Super Bowl champion may be too much for them.

Jack Vegas · 07-15-2014, 02:33 PM

Talent levels on these 3 teams are so close there's no point in trying to figure that one out. Saints are more familiar with the 49ers and we play them well - beat them last year in a game that shouldn't have been as close as it was but we were sloppy and dumb.

Saints vs. Seahawks I would say is more of a psychological barrier since the Seahawks seem to have the Saints number a little bit, even going back to the Haslett years. Don't know exactly why that is.

It is kind of amazing how similar all 3 rosters are. Defenses with a lot of size and toughness with elite players on all 3 levels of the D. Offenses with depth and versatility and the ability to play the game with a lot of different styles.

But really the only thing that matters is who gets home field. In that equation, the Saints seem to be lucky on the schedule this year. All our tough games seem to be at home and a lot of teams that we match up well with on the road.

Realistically the rest of the NFC could just cancel their seasons and the Seahawks, Saints and 49ers just have a round-robin to see who gets to the SB.

stickman · 07-15-2014, 02:45 PM

I agree with Jack Vegas. All I would add is that I think the Seahawks are in the Niners heads as well.

07-15-2014, 01:42 PM	#1
Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Saints VS Niners Seahawks I am curious how you guys see yourselves stacking up. The offseason is so boring but I would love to hear how these teams fare against each other. Is there another team that is a threat to the NFC? Will the Niners, Seahawks or Saints take a step down? Wanna know what the board thinks.

07-15-2014, 01:56 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints VS Niners Seahawks Can't comment on who will decline, other than to say that the Saints have only gotten better... Lost no one of significance, except for Darren Sproles who has been replaced with the speedier Brandin Cooks... It seems the Seahawks may have lost some pieces on defense?

07-15-2014, 03:56 PM	#4
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Saints VS Niners Seahawks Originally Posted by Seahawks12th What positions are still question marks on your team? OL and kicker in my opinion. We had some weird OL problems last year which more mostly attributed to a tough time adjusting to zone blocking schemes. But the OL really underacheived last year IMO, considering there are 3 past/present Pro-Bowlers on it. At kicker, I think Graham is solid and dependable within say 40 yards, past that who knows. If we need a 50-yarder to win a playoff game we're probably in trouble. The WR's may be a slight issue, Colston is getting old and creaky knees, Meachem is a one-trick pony. We like Stills a lot but he's still young and Cooks is a rookie. I think we'll be OK here but I wouldn't mind terribly if we could land another FA WR before the season starts.
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07-15-2014, 01:58 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,567	Re: Saints VS Niners Seahawks The Saints should be greatly improved on the defensive side of the ball with several key additions, including Jarius Byrd and Champ Bailey, and the return of key players inujured prior to the past season (Patrick Robinson and Victor Butler). The entire defense should be improved as a whole with another year under Rob Ryan's system. The Saints offense should also benefit from the addition of Brandin Cooks, the subtraction of center de la Puenta and the first full season of left tackle Terron Armstead. The exit of Darren Sproles and Lance Moore should be another case of addition by subtraction as both players had by far their worst season in the black and gold in 2013. As for Seattle and SF, I see both squads taking a small step back with their personnel losses and the emergence of both Arizona and St. Louis as formidable opponents. The Saints will be facing a FAR easier schedule and has a better shot of getting that top NFC seed and that important home field advantage. SmashMouth, \|Mitch\| and Seahawks12th like this.

07-15-2014, 03:35 PM	#6
Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: Saints VS Niners Seahawks Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The Saints should be greatly improved on the defensive side of the ball with several key additions, including Jarius Byrd and Champ Bailey, and the return of key players inujured prior to the past season (Patrick Robinson and Victor Butler). The entire defense should be improved as a whole with another year under Rob Ryan's system. The Saints offense should also benefit from the addition of Brandin Cooks, the subtraction of center de la Puenta and the first full season of left tackle Terron Armstead. The exit of Darren Sproles and Lance Moore should be another case of addition by subtraction as both players had by far their worst season in the black and gold in 2013. As for Seattle and SF, I see both squads taking a small step back with their personnel losses and the emergence of both Arizona and St. Louis as formidable opponents. The Saints will be facing a FAR easier schedule and has a better shot of getting that top NFC seed and that important home field advantage. The addition of Goodwin (center) is a huge upgrade in my opinion. Armstead really impressed me during the Saints second trip to the Northwest. He dominated Clemons (our starting D end who was our best player, now in Jacksonville). Byrd and Bush will bring the lumber and Robinson (RB) could be a star. I personally think our two teams will play each other for the NFCCG. May come down to a couple plays. AliJee likes this.

07-15-2014, 03:29 PM	#3
Seahawks12th 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 188	Re: Saints VS Niners Seahawks Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Can't comment on who will decline, other than to say that the Saints have only gotten better... Lost no one of significance, except for Darren Sproles who has been replaced with the speedier Brandin Cooks... It seems the Seahawks may have lost some pieces on defense? Our defensive line lost two starters, can't minimize that and our right tackle position is unsettled. The thing that scares me about the Saints is that I don't see too many unsettled positions. You may have one of the most dominant left tackles in all of football. What positions are still question marks on your team?

07-15-2014, 10:15 PM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints VS Niners Seahawks Originally Posted by Seahawks12th The addition of Goodwin (center) is a huge upgrade in my opinion. Armstead really impressed me during the Saints second trip to the Northwest. He dominated Clemons (our starting D end who was our best player, now in Jacksonville). Byrd and Bush will bring the lumber and Robinson (RB) could be a star. I personally think our two teams will play each other for the NFCCG. May come down to a couple plays. Cory White took Robinsons spot last season when he went down, I look for Robinson in as our #3 CB, I think with the addition of Bailey, Byrd, with Robinson coming back we might be pretty good there. Up front on D looks pretty good but our lb. play has to improve, quick slants kill us,. With how Seattle rolls out alot it should if it falls that way be interesting to watch. The O, if Brees doesn't have to run for his life and our recievers and TE can get fight off the line of scrimimage, should be much better. Still alot of football to tell.

07-15-2014, 02:01 PM	#8
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: Saints VS Niners Seahawks PEDhawks are still the team to beat in the NFC, but the pressure of playing as Super Bowl champion may be too much for them.

07-15-2014, 02:33 PM	#9
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Saints VS Niners Seahawks Talent levels on these 3 teams are so close there's no point in trying to figure that one out. Saints are more familiar with the 49ers and we play them well - beat them last year in a game that shouldn't have been as close as it was but we were sloppy and dumb. Saints vs. Seahawks I would say is more of a psychological barrier since the Seahawks seem to have the Saints number a little bit, even going back to the Haslett years. Don't know exactly why that is. It is kind of amazing how similar all 3 rosters are. Defenses with a lot of size and toughness with elite players on all 3 levels of the D. Offenses with depth and versatility and the ability to play the game with a lot of different styles. But really the only thing that matters is who gets home field. In that equation, the Saints seem to be lucky on the schedule this year. All our tough games seem to be at home and a lot of teams that we match up well with on the road. Realistically the rest of the NFC could just cancel their seasons and the Seahawks, Saints and 49ers just have a round-robin to see who gets to the SB. stickman and Seahawks12th like this.
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07-15-2014, 02:45 PM	#10
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,764	Re: Saints VS Niners Seahawks I agree with Jack Vegas. All I would add is that I think the Seahawks are in the Niners heads as well.

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