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Jack Vegas 07-20-2014 08:20 AM

PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Preseason Power Rankings No. 6: New Orleans Saints | ProFootballTalk

:stupid:

The only problem is, the Saints still might not have sufficient personnel on that side of the ball, so regression is a real possibility.

But other than bringing in last-legs cornerback Champ Bailey, there wasn’t the kind of influx of talent they might have needed.

They improved last year based largely on energy and emotion, and we’ll see how long that lasts in the face of a talent discrepancy.



It's laughable really. Gantt spouted this same thing all last year, it's like these people are completely unwilling to see the obvious.

Flood this fool with comments.

papz 07-20-2014 08:26 AM

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B_Dub_Saint 07-20-2014 09:10 AM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Really imagine this. Really. Some one needs to b!tch slap this dude across the face and say, lay off the drugs son!!!!!!

jeanpierre 07-20-2014 09:13 AM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
First of all, the writer is Darin Gantt a former beat hack for the Carolina Panthers - so he basically eats out of Cam Newton's @$$...

Secondly, prefer all the ammunition and chips on the shoulder we can get, especially going into training camp...

Third, he argues the Saints struggle on the road - he fails to mention that the Saints and Pats own the best road record since 2009...

Finally, read his @$$hat criticism of the defense that the big acquisition was Byrd, had offseason surgery, and leaves adding only Champ Bailey...

How is it a step back in personnel when you rid yourself of the worst (2012) safety tandem in NFL history in Harper and Jenkins and now have potentially the best three safety rotation in the league in Vacarro, Byrd and Bush?!?

LOOK AT THE SOURCE...

SmashMouth 07-20-2014 09:18 AM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 600205)
Preseason Power Rankings No. 6: New Orleans Saints | ProFootballTalk

:stupid:

The only problem is, the Saints still might not have sufficient personnel on that side of the ball, so regression is a real possibility.

But other than bringing in last-legs cornerback Champ Bailey, there wasn’t the kind of influx of talent they might have needed.

They improved last year based largely on energy and emotion, and we’ll see how long that lasts in the face of a talent discrepancy.



It's laughable really. Gantt spouted this same thing all last year, it's like these people are completely unwilling to see the obvious.

Flood this fool with comments.

It's much more likely this writer's precious Panthers will severely regress in all phases.

WhoDat!656 07-20-2014 11:05 AM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint (Post 600207)
Really imagine this. Really. Some one needs to b!tch slap this dude across the face and say, lay off the drugs son!!!!!!

I'm ready!

jeanpierre 07-20-2014 11:42 AM

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Source: ProFootballFocus

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ScottF 07-20-2014 11:57 AM

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So is he saying that if Byrd is 100% we will be much improved??
It merits asking...especially since Byrd's surgery was precautionary and he is 100%.

NonieT 07-20-2014 12:37 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Well, the man 's entitled to his opinion, no matter how stupid it is.

Utah_Saint 07-20-2014 12:59 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
The Saints are one season off the "worst defense in history". They were embarrassed on Monday Night Football last season against the Seahawks.

In a former Panther beat writers opinion, the Saints still have to prove themselves. That's fair enough.

The Saints have the opportunity to show Gantt doesn't really know what he was talking about. I honestly believe most sports writers don't know any more about football than we do. In my opinion, I think he under rated quite a few things and it would be easy to make a counter argument to his "weaknesses", but really, what would it matter.

The proof is in what happens on the field. Only time will tell. Someone should bookmark this thread and next offseason we can compare it to what actually happened. Might be more interesting than discussing pictures of Rob Ryan and number of pizzas he's got.

The Dude 07-20-2014 02:37 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
That's asinine. 4 potential all pro plus a future hall of fame CB. Yea no talent there. I would say we almost have less talent on offense than defense.

Jack Vegas 07-20-2014 02:58 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
No "almost" about it. We definitely have more talent on defense than we do on offense.

Laughingly, they rank the Packers at #5, despite admitting the Packers defense is terrible and admitting that their overall roster is "JV" caliber (their words, not mine).

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Rugby Saint II 07-20-2014 03:34 PM

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Well then let's shut them up!
Bring on the season. :bng:

jjasso007 07-20-2014 03:54 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 600208)
First of all, the writer is Darin Gantt a former beat hack for the Carolina Panthers - so he basically eats out of Cam Newton's @$$...

Secondly, prefer all the ammunition and chips on the shoulder we can get, especially going into training camp...

Third, he argues the Saints struggle on the road - he fails to mention that the Saints and Pats own the best road record since 2009...

Finally, read his @$$hat criticism of the defense that the big acquisition was Byrd, had offseason surgery, and leaves adding only Champ Bailey...

How is it a step back in personnel when you rid yourself of the worst (2012) safety tandem in NFL history in Harper and Jenkins and now have potentially the best three safety rotation in the league in Vacarro, Byrd and Bush?!?

LOOK AT THE SOURCE...

Were Jenkins/Harper worse then Tebucky Jones/Jay Bellamy or Josh Bullocks/Dwight Smith?

The Dude 07-20-2014 04:20 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 600226)
So is he saying that if Byrd is 100% we will be much improved??
It merits asking...especially since Byrd's surgery was precautionary and he is 100%.

Actually that is one concern I agree with. We don't know if he is 100% or not. Even if he is 100% the fact that the surgery was so recent the injury could get reaggravated easily. On the other hand I have a hard time believing Loomis would have brought him in with a contract like that if he thought he was an injury risk.

homerj07 07-20-2014 07:52 PM

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I think 6 is fair. Maybe a little low. But we have a chance to be really really good

hagan714 07-20-2014 10:17 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
biggest concern is not the outside of the defense it is the middle. the saints did little to nothing at all to improve the depth on the dL or at MLB.

lets hope the question marks get answered during camp and some gems step up

jeanpierre 07-20-2014 10:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jjasso007 (Post 600242)
Were Jenkins/Harper worse then Tebucky Jones/Jay Bellamy or Josh Bullocks/Dwight Smith?


Statistically, yes...

In 2012 they led the worse defense ever...

Jenkins/Harper were better than you or I but even that bell curve doesn't make them good...

We got better when Vaccaro took PT away from an "injured" Harper and when Bush replaced Jenkins; add Byrd, your comparing apples to turds...

darksoul35 07-20-2014 10:31 PM

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Don't we also get a pretty good linebacker back named Butler and a rookie corner to add depth. Dude is a straight hater. Barring injury we will win the superbowl and I cant wait to see the look on Rogers fake ass face.

AliJee 07-21-2014 05:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 600244)
Actually that is one concern I agree with. We don't know if he is 100% or not. Even if he is 100% the fact that the surgery was so recent the injury could get reaggravated easily. On the other hand I have a hard time believing Loomis would have brought him in with a contract like that if he thought he was an injury risk.

Ummmm I think after hitting gold with Brees Loomis takes way more risks on injured players.

Danno 07-21-2014 06:28 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Upgrade, Downgrade or wash?

Byrd replaces Jenkins - Upgrade
Vaccaro replaces Harper (full time) - Upgrade
Champ replaces Greer - wash (at this point in Champ's career)
Butler over Haralson - Upgrade
Haralson as the backup - Upgrade
Corey White 3rd season - Upgrade
Patrick Robinson 4th season - Upgrade
Rod Sweeting 2nd season - Upgrade
Hicks 3rd season - Upgrade
Foster 2nd season - Upgrade
JJenkins 2nd season - Upgrade

Then factor in all the draftees competing for spots at LB, CB, Safety and special teams and only the most uninformed fan, (otherwise known as a Falcon, Panther or Buc fan) could see anything but a major improvement over the 2013 unit.

Can anyone point to one single position where we downgraded?
Can anyone point to one single defensive coach where we downgraded?

I didn't think so, now STFU!

SmashMouth 07-21-2014 08:08 PM

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I think we have all been awaiting Patrick Robinson's development. He is a bit of a tease.

K Major 07-21-2014 08:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 600380)
I think we have all been awaiting Patrick Robinson's development. He is a bit of a tease.

No doubt. It's time for a return on the investment.

jeanpierre 07-21-2014 10:20 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 600365)
Upgrade, Downgrade or wash?

Byrd replaces Jenkins - Upgrade
Vaccaro replaces Harper (full time) - Upgrade
Champ replaces Greer - wash (at this point in Champ's career)
Butler over Haralson - Upgrade
Haralson as the backup - Upgrade
Corey White 3rd season - Upgrade
Patrick Robinson 4th season - Upgrade
Rod Sweeting 2nd season - Upgrade
Hicks 3rd season - Upgrade
Foster 2nd season - Upgrade
JJenkins 2nd season - Upgrade

Then factor in all the draftees competing for spots at LB, CB, Safety and special teams and only the most uninformed fan, (otherwise known as a Falcon, Panther or Buc fan) could see anything but a major improvement over the 2013 unit.

Can anyone point to one single position where we downgraded?
Can anyone point to one single defensive coach where we downgraded?

I didn't think so, now STFU!

PFT needs to get some better recruits than that Carolina hack...

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QBREES9 07-21-2014 11:11 PM

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What do they know.

billyt81 07-26-2014 01:06 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
He's entitled to his opinion. Personally I think he's picking one of the top 5 most talented rosters in the NFL to hate on. If not the most talented. If Josh Morgan can stay healthy the Saints will have the best WR core in history. They may have it without him.

K Major 07-26-2014 01:26 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 600956)
If Josh Morgan can stay healthy the Saints will have the best WR core in history. They may have it without him.

Hey Billyt81,
I assume you meant "Joe" Morgan. And yes, that is a big IF as it relates to Morgan staying healthy.

billyt81 08-03-2014 06:12 PM

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Yea Joe Morgan and I need to regress a bit from best WR core in history. Sometimes my Black and Gold goggles are a little too thick. But I do believe the Saints 2014 offense has a very good chance of being one of the best statistical offenses in history. "Joe" Morgan or not. I am anticipating Cooks catapulting the Saints offense in a similar way that Moss did to the Pats O when he got there.

homerj07 08-03-2014 08:43 PM

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Yes we have been good historically. But we need to win at home AND on the road for the media to get off that sour note.

jeanpierre 08-04-2014 02:22 PM

Re: PFT still thinks we have a lack of talent on defense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 600365)
Upgrade, Downgrade or wash?

Byrd replaces Jenkins - Upgrade
Vaccaro replaces Harper (full time) - Upgrade
Champ replaces Greer - wash (at this point in Champ's career)
Butler over Haralson - Upgrade
Haralson as the backup - Upgrade
Corey White 3rd season - Upgrade
Patrick Robinson 4th season - Upgrade
Rod Sweeting 2nd season - Upgrade
Hicks 3rd season - Upgrade
Foster 2nd season - Upgrade
JJenkins 2nd season - Upgrade

Then factor in all the draftees competing for spots at LB, CB, Safety and special teams and only the most uninformed fan, (otherwise known as a Falcon, Panther or Buc fan) could see anything but a major improvement over the 2013 unit.

Can anyone point to one single position where we downgraded?
Can anyone point to one single defensive coach where we downgraded?

I didn't think so, now STFU!

Too soon to say Butler over Haralson is an upgrade, but everything else is a perfect illustration of counterpoint, in detail, to that @$$hat's column...

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dizzle88 08-04-2014 02:24 PM

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Speaking of Victor Butler....we haven't heard much out of training camp about him

No features or stories, no news that he's been put in on passing downs to rush the QB or anything


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