Haslett

demsaints · 12-09-2004, 11:46 PM

I have been on Haslett as much as anyone after his first year. When they fire him who will want to come coach the Saints besides someone that has had no previous head coaching experience. I almost feel bad for him now. We all have to remember New Orleans is known more for ruining coaches than making them. He will proably do well somewhere else if he gets another chance. I know we need a change. I hope it is a defensive type coach. I know I like Venturi just because everyone loves to hate him. It would not matter who was coaching them with that talent at linebacker. And all our first round talent is either not playing up to potential or only worried about getting a sack. Don't say Ron Zook when he was here. We lost a lot of talent after he left.

shadowdrinker_x · 12-10-2004, 12:44 AM

When you look back at the draft days since haslett took over...you really start to understand what has really been going on

The predicted picks were all not taken..the announcers seem to always say..\'\'that\'s a suprise\'\'..and..It is..we have been sold inot a lesser squad..because we wanted so badly to believe that we were getting better calibur players right from under people\'s noses...

Stallworth should not have been taken so early in the draft..and everyone else knew it...

Will Smith..when we drafted him I can remember the puzzled dialect of the announcers..they were just as shocked as we were...

We all know about Sullivan..what the heck was that?...

And the whole time..The Coaches, Front office, all of them..were trying to convince everyone else..they picked the best players...And we bought it..year after year...draft after draft..lousy pick after lousy pick...

I have never seen a team look this bad all around...

The worst part is..Haslett will likely remain here..At least one more year...

The real drama is going to come this off season...if you think you\'ve had enough of the controversy and bad mouthing of this team..Then you may want to not read any papers..or watch espn for a few months...The worst is yet to come...

[Edited on 10/12/2004 by shadowdrinker_x]

dberce1 · 12-10-2004, 09:15 AM

Welcome to the boards demsaints, however:

I know I like Venturi just because everyone loves to hate him. It would not matter who was coaching them with that talent at linebacker.

Venturi=loser. Just a hint.

Danno · 12-10-2004, 09:29 AM

The whole problem with Venturi is what I call the bad-professor syndrone.
We had a Professor who taught a Circuits/Electronics class who knew absolutely everything about circuits anyone would ever want to know. But he was a horrible teacher. Most of us just started ignoring him altogether and learned it on on own.

Venturi may be the same way. He knows the X\'s and O\'s as well as any DC in the league, he just doesn\'t have the knack for effectively relaying that information to his players.

RDOX · 12-10-2004, 10:42 AM

The whole problem with Venturi is what I call the bad-professor syndrone.
We had a Professor who taught a Circuits/Electronics class who knew absolutely everything about circuits anyone would ever want to know. But he was a horrible teacher. Most of us just started ignoring him altogether and learned it on on own.

Venturi may be the same way. He knows the X\'s and O\'s as well as any DC in the league, he just doesn\'t have the knack for effectively relaying that information to his players.

What a magnificient post. You have lasered in on the problem. Venturi may be a professor when it comes to defense, but he has forgotten one small dictum of coaching:

KISS---Keep it Simple Stupid.

Venturi game plans for Rhodes scholars, and has Special Ed players. If he were to concentrate on simple plans, and having his players do it over and over til it was perfect, I believe that you would see a vast improvement in the defensive play. These guys are having to think too much and not react to what is actually going on. That\'s why you see so many out of position plays. They are going to a \"spot\" and not reacting to the flow of the game. Therefore, they get very predictable in certain situations. 3rd down and you see blitz. What happens, short screen past that goes for 20. Over and over again.

I have no doubt that Rick Venturi is brilliant, the problem is that he doesn\'t coach what he has. He believes that his players understand what he\'s talking about, when in reality they are blanking him out.

Cassady37 · 12-10-2004, 12:39 PM

Ok, forgive me for being so blunt, but, what the $%#@! has Venturi EVER done that has shown he is..cough..cough..ack...BRILLIANT??!! I mean he\'s been other places and his defenses have not been any better than this one. Has any one of you ever sat down and talked to him, get the feel of his wisdom, know where he\'s coming from? I mean, if you have, please, let the rest of us in on your little secret!

RDOX · 12-10-2004, 01:05 PM

Ok, forgive me for being so blunt, but, what the $%#@! has Venturi EVER done that has shown he is..cough..cough..ack...BRILLIANT??!! I mean he\'s been other places and his defenses have not been any better than this one. Has any one of you ever sat down and talked to him, get the feel of his wisdom, know where he\'s coming from? I mean, if you have, please, let the rest of us in on your little secret!

Speaking of Brilliant, you certainly fall into that category for pointing out the one simple thing. I suspect that not one of us would recognize Venturi if he flew in on Angel wings, much less sat down and talked with him. All we have to go on is what Hazlett has said. And considering Hazlett, anyone with an IQ of over 50 is brilliant to him.

Great Point. Thanks for bringing us back to earth!!

Cassady37 · 12-10-2004, 01:35 PM

I actually had the chance to talk to him once in the Georgia Dome tunnel during pregame warm-ups. He was a very likeable guy but I kind of got the idea he was just happy to be a part of football, any football, in any capacity. He was just like a friend you would want to have a drink with at the local pub. And not to nit-pick but that was a little disconcerting, you know he\'s the same way with the players and maybe that\'s part of the problem, that, and he\'s probably better in a support role, not a DC role.

Danno · 12-10-2004, 01:37 PM

I\'ve heard him speak, and he is well respect around the league. He just can\'t coach.

12-09-2004, 11:46 PM	#1
demsaints Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 11	Haslett I have been on Haslett as much as anyone after his first year. When they fire him who will want to come coach the Saints besides someone that has had no previous head coaching experience. I almost feel bad for him now. We all have to remember New Orleans is known more for ruining coaches than making them. He will proably do well somewhere else if he gets another chance. I know we need a change. I hope it is a defensive type coach. I know I like Venturi just because everyone loves to hate him. It would not matter who was coaching them with that talent at linebacker. And all our first round talent is either not playing up to potential or only worried about getting a sack. Don't say Ron Zook when he was here. We lost a lot of talent after he left.
demsaints Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 11

12-10-2004, 12:44 AM	#2
shadowdrinker_x Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 218	Haslett When you look back at the draft days since haslett took over...you really start to understand what has really been going on The predicted picks were all not taken..the announcers seem to always say..\'\'that\'s a suprise\'\'..and..It is..we have been sold inot a lesser squad..because we wanted so badly to believe that we were getting better calibur players right from under people\'s noses... Stallworth should not have been taken so early in the draft..and everyone else knew it... Will Smith..when we drafted him I can remember the puzzled dialect of the announcers..they were just as shocked as we were... We all know about Sullivan..what the heck was that?... And the whole time..The Coaches, Front office, all of them..were trying to convince everyone else..they picked the best players...And we bought it..year after year...draft after draft..lousy pick after lousy pick... I have never seen a team look this bad all around... The worst part is..Haslett will likely remain here..At least one more year... The real drama is going to come this off season...if you think you\'ve had enough of the controversy and bad mouthing of this team..Then you may want to not read any papers..or watch espn for a few months...The worst is yet to come... [Edited on 10/12/2004 by shadowdrinker_x]

12-10-2004, 09:15 AM	#3
dberce1 Chuck Liddells Right Hand Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prairieville, Louisiana Posts: 1,227	Haslett Welcome to the boards demsaints, however: I know I like Venturi just because everyone loves to hate him. It would not matter who was coaching them with that talent at linebacker. Venturi=loser. Just a hint.

12-10-2004, 09:29 AM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Haslett The whole problem with Venturi is what I call the bad-professor syndrone. We had a Professor who taught a Circuits/Electronics class who knew absolutely everything about circuits anyone would ever want to know. But he was a horrible teacher. Most of us just started ignoring him altogether and learned it on on own. Venturi may be the same way. He knows the X\'s and O\'s as well as any DC in the league, he just doesn\'t have the knack for effectively relaying that information to his players.

12-10-2004, 10:42 AM	#5
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Haslett The whole problem with Venturi is what I call the bad-professor syndrone. We had a Professor who taught a Circuits/Electronics class who knew absolutely everything about circuits anyone would ever want to know. But he was a horrible teacher. Most of us just started ignoring him altogether and learned it on on own. Venturi may be the same way. He knows the X\'s and O\'s as well as any DC in the league, he just doesn\'t have the knack for effectively relaying that information to his players. What a magnificient post. You have lasered in on the problem. Venturi may be a professor when it comes to defense, but he has forgotten one small dictum of coaching: KISS---Keep it Simple Stupid. Venturi game plans for Rhodes scholars, and has Special Ed players. If he were to concentrate on simple plans, and having his players do it over and over til it was perfect, I believe that you would see a vast improvement in the defensive play. These guys are having to think too much and not react to what is actually going on. That\'s why you see so many out of position plays. They are going to a \"spot\" and not reacting to the flow of the game. Therefore, they get very predictable in certain situations. 3rd down and you see blitz. What happens, short screen past that goes for 20. Over and over again. I have no doubt that Rick Venturi is brilliant, the problem is that he doesn\'t coach what he has. He believes that his players understand what he\'s talking about, when in reality they are blanking him out.
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12-10-2004, 12:39 PM	#6
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Haslett Ok, forgive me for being so blunt, but, what the $%#@! has Venturi EVER done that has shown he is..cough..cough..ack...BRILLIANT??!! I mean he\'s been other places and his defenses have not been any better than this one. Has any one of you ever sat down and talked to him, get the feel of his wisdom, know where he\'s coming from? I mean, if you have, please, let the rest of us in on your little secret!

12-10-2004, 01:05 PM	#7
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Haslett Ok, forgive me for being so blunt, but, what the $%#@! has Venturi EVER done that has shown he is..cough..cough..ack...BRILLIANT??!! I mean he\'s been other places and his defenses have not been any better than this one. Has any one of you ever sat down and talked to him, get the feel of his wisdom, know where he\'s coming from? I mean, if you have, please, let the rest of us in on your little secret! Speaking of Brilliant, you certainly fall into that category for pointing out the one simple thing. I suspect that not one of us would recognize Venturi if he flew in on Angel wings, much less sat down and talked with him. All we have to go on is what Hazlett has said. And considering Hazlett, anyone with an IQ of over 50 is brilliant to him. Great Point. Thanks for bringing us back to earth!!
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264

12-10-2004, 01:35 PM	#8
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Haslett I actually had the chance to talk to him once in the Georgia Dome tunnel during pregame warm-ups. He was a very likeable guy but I kind of got the idea he was just happy to be a part of football, any football, in any capacity. He was just like a friend you would want to have a drink with at the local pub. And not to nit-pick but that was a little disconcerting, you know he\'s the same way with the players and maybe that\'s part of the problem, that, and he\'s probably better in a support role, not a DC role.

12-10-2004, 01:37 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Haslett I\'ve heard him speak, and he is well respect around the league. He just can\'t coach.